Jack:
I can't wait to get my L2P and try it out on the bike. Guys in the know on mtbrforums have been talking up the P60 style lights for years, don't know what took me so long to order (probably mass confusion with all the options).
And I don't care what else is out there: The TwoFish Lockblock and Cycloblock are two of the most versatile, cheap and simple designs every developed - work equally well on bars or helmets. Anyone who uses lights to bike with should have some of these.
Yup, I am waiting for my Twofish Lockblocks mounts to come now too. I want to fix up one to use on my helmet and see how that works..
Also, the dual setup seems to be the ideal too. Last couple days, I purposely worked late, so I could do the return leg of my commute in the dark!!
Ok, I apologize as well in advance for taking this thread off-topic. But cehowardGS, can you provide a link to that Chinese knock-off saddle? Would you say it's a good "budget" alternative to a Brooks? I ask because I'm starting to plan out this years 300+ mile bike tour and last year my new seat wasn't nearly as comfortable as I expected. Fine on short rides (15 to 20 miles), but almost painful when riding 60 miles/day for 5 days straight!
Thanks,
Garry
Ok, further off topic....
Garry - what model was last year's new seat?
I believe this is the same one at Amazon. It's an inexpensive Sunlite Cloud 9.
Also wondering about one of those thick gel seat covers over it this year. I do wear padded shorts too.
-Garry
Not to take this topic any further off, Check your message box. 
Hi, I can't find the source. I got it off Ebay, from a Chinese vendor..
It was $70 to my door.
Here it is..
http://www.cehoward.net/white1.jpg
On the bike
http://www.cehoward.net/seatwh19.jpg
We on topic, because the knock off is on the bike that I just put two torches on with those mounts.
Here is that bike with double torches in that mount.
After searching, I cannot find the vendor or the exact one that I got.
This is not the one I got, but it seems close. It is $30 more..
As you all know, this is addictive. With that said, I am thinking about to spring for this one. I have a 1600 zoom torch, but found out, that the zoom torches are not as good as the non-zoom torches. With the zoom torch they sometime move when you go over bumps. Also, this one here appears to be C8 size. It states 1600 lumens. For the price of this one, I could get two UF C8s going for $18 each..
Choices!! :)
BTW, it is a NO-NAME-BRAND too..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/170749636181?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
That looks like the XinTD L2 in single 18650 mode. Check out Foy's review of that light earlier today:
And that ain't no 1600 (or 1800) lumen light, no matter how nice it is.
That torch looks just like the XinTD L2 in the single 18650 configuration, http://www.intl-outdoor.com/xintd-l2-12-x-18650-cree-xml-t6-flashlight-p-202.html. I wonder if it performs the same too.
This forum is so good that I had to register 
Here's my setup (got them from DX) :
I like .
And welcome .
I run exactly the same set up ..Simple as can be . Great place to use cheap p-60 hosts .Just make sure to add proper heat sink material /foil or copper tape.
…Hmmm I don’t like that ebay light … the batteries or the charger either
I'd buy the rominsen 601 or 602 first .. real batteries(japanese) and a half way decent charger like a tr001 instead
OP here. You got me thinking about the Brooks, I am weight weenie and always avoided that saddle because it seemed to weigh 4 lbs. or something like that. With that said, I have yet to find a saddle that doesn't numb the men after a little while. Does it help with that? If so, I may swallow my pride and get one. I mean what good is a sub 18 lb. bike if your @$$ hurts...right?
Back to lights, I am really confused regarding the C8's. Based on the reviews, it seems that this one might be the one to get:
http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S010020
From what I've gathered based on this forum, the XinTD C8 is well built but a little under-driven compared to the KD-C8. Is that correct? Has anyone compared the two? I also like the Keygos but I don't like 5 modes. Both the XinTD and KD C8's can be found in 3 modes.
Thanks again everyone for the advice and who cares if we went a little OT if we're still talking about biking?
I was to chime in about zoom torches on bikes. I started experimenting by mounting 2 EDI-T P4s on my bike. I really like the zoomed out beam when riding it puts more of an even amount of light on the ground. The EDI-Ts have a really nice zoom mechanism it doesn't move around on bumps. I also disassembled them and added some heavy grease(superlube) to the oring to make it smoother and a little tighter.
The KD C8 you linked to is the light that got a lot of people started on their flashlight addiction. Do a quick search and you will see one of the original threads on this light - it has to be in the top 10 for most posts on BLF. You can't go wrong with this one and the price is right. As far as the XinTD goes, you probably won't be able to tell much difference in output from the KD, but the quality is better. Keygos are nice, but if you look around on BLF, you will see there has been a lot of variation in quality and output. They do look nice and the price is right. I agree on the 3 modes - I have always hated disco.
Re: the Brooks. What can I say. Some folks think putting an old leather boat anchor on a modern bike is wrong. You are the only one that can decide that. I rode a Lemond Maiotte Jaune (aka Trek 5900) for years with mine. When you are putting in the miles, who would you rather listen to: Other (misinformed) riders or your ass? If the weight bothers you, go for Ti at much more $$$ or get a smaller Colt, Swift or Swallow. And the Brooks do help with the comfort of the boys, but that is more a matter of proper fit and position. Also helps to stand up on the pedals and shift position frequently.
Clone. Shorter reflector. Different driver, No Knurling only some scratches on the body, that is not knurling. Battery tube is different.
It seems the clones number has taken off. Probably more to come.
I wouldn't buy anything from bluspams they continuously spam this forum and that 5 dollar light is a piece of junk.
having started my bike obsession with 3 speed bicycles, i have never worried about what my bikes weigh.
i have always found it easier to drop 10 pounds off my fat ass, rather than go crazy worrying about whether a deadly plastic seat will shave 17 ounces off my bike weight.
i ride more when i am comfortable, that means leather seat, decent lights and, Horrors!, fenders!
as i approach 60 i am unconcerned with the lycra-based one-upmanship of the knuckleheads who pass by me on their Sevens shaking their heads in dismay. i dont see them as i ride to work in 50 degree rain and arrive after dark.
+1 Your post made me smile.
