Group Buy CLOSED: MAXToch SN6X-2X

I've read your posts where you describe how you do these things in great detail and I still can't get it. Obviously you got working methods, but I' can't follow - think I need videos...

I went on a mission recently to find plastic alignment pieces for a Shocker and HD 2010 and found out they don't exist - can't buy ones that will fit as good as the stock pieces, so, I'm very paranoid bout those little cheap crappy pieces of plastic... I did buy a few from an AliExpress store but none fit well. I'm amazed the reflector holes aren't standardized, but I guess it's just like the reflectors - can't buy replacements for them too.

Yeah, I would love to get a S1100 reflector for my S2200 but they don’t sell em. What’s up with that? Used to be that an item wasn’t worth buying if you couldn’t get parts to repair it, and a reflector is the hear and soul of the light and the most fragile. I think a smooth reflector like in the S1100 for the XM-L would be fantastic on the MT-G2 in the S2200, but N00000ooooooo!

Can’t find it? Make it! :slight_smile:

I was thinking…what if a solid copper disc of the right depth were used to mount the emitter on directly, with rectangular slots cut next to the thermal pad to hold teflon sleeves. These sleeves would themselves be slotted for a brass insert, like the plug in tongue of an electrical connector. This insert would slide up from the bottom and make direct contact with the emitters positive and negative strips, the connections would be made UNDER the star. No contact with the reflector electrically would be possible. The reflector could sit directly on the copper disc for additional heat sinking. The teflon sleeves would insulate the electrical connection coming up through the copper disc. Large power carrying potential. Very solid with very little opportunity for a broken connection. The emitter would be able to be placed precisely in the reflector where you wanted it to be. Think that’d work?

Hey, just replied you by PM. Your order as been handed to USPS already on 3rd. Dec…

There is another website to track all mail parcels—-www.17track.net. Click the red button. Most tracking records are in English. Sorry that I don’t know why the previous tracking website doesn’t work now…

Anyone who has question, can PM me or send me email. :slight_smile:

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Fantastic. Thanks Amanda!!

My first 2 arrived :slight_smile:

If only I could find a source of panasonic PD’s to ship to NZ. Getting sick of fasttech

Chris

That’s great Chris. I’ve been a little worried about your parcel because NZ tracking record is not available by Swiss Post.

Our comany is negotiating with Sanyo. If everything goes well, we will offer 18650 batteries with Sanyo cell inside next year.

Panasonic! Panasonic!

Then you can offer 3400 to your every day customers, and 2900 pd’s to the rest of us.

The other 2 are still sitting in Singapore, but plenty of playing to do with these 2!

Chris

I see. The other one should be received soon too. They were sent on the same day.

Pansonic? OK. I’ll suggest our company.

The Panasonic NCR18650PD is a high discharge capable cell with 2900mAh capacity. A known solid performer, trusted by a great many flashaholics. I believe they’ve discontinued the PD version and replaced it with a slightly better chemistry and slightly higher minimum capacity in the NCR18650PF. Just can’t go wrong with that cell, runs my Terminator and I’ve ordered more for my MAXToch SN6X-2X.

Well theres good news and bad news.

The good news is all of my lights are about 25% better than I thought :slight_smile:

The bad news is that my lux meter reads the SN6X-2X at 72,000 cd at 2.06 amps at the tail at 8m.

If it is actually more around the 96,000 region (will try the solder blob mod on my 20Q’s to check its not the trustfire flames playing up), that means I’m EDCing a 170,000 lux c8 :slight_smile:

Chris

Amanda Thanks for the Fast PM reply. 17track did Not work for me. No Red button. I found SWISS POST Home Page + Pasted the EM TR#. It worked fine, the Light got to USA on 12-2-2013. I looks like the EM Tracking# works on the Home Page but not on the EM Link.

I believe the specs on the Pana PF lists a higher internal resistance than the Pana PD -- disappointing... I'd expect poorer performance for high amps, but since this light is 2 cell with a good regulated driver, I'd opt for high qual protected cells anyway - I'm using KP's.

For reference my protected panasonic 3400s that are from fastech fit snug

I was told by a dealer that the PF had Lower internal resistance and a slightly higher capacity, making it their most High Discharge Capable battery yet.

I want the option of using these in other lights as well and have a couple that protected cells won’t fit in. With the new chemistry being touted as even safer than IMR, I will go with the new PF and see.

Found these specs on the NCR18650PF Panasonic

Battery type: 18650 High Drain
Capacity: 2900mAh
Max Discharge (constant current): 10A
Max Discharge Pulse Current (5-6 sec.): 18A
Full charge: 4.2V
Charging method: CV/CC
Minimum charging current: 0.6A
Rapid Charging current: 1.35A
Nominal (storage) voltage: 3.6V-3.7V
Minimum discharge voltage level: 2.5V
Dimensions: 18.5mm x 66.5mm
Weight: 46g
Button Top: Yes
AC-IR 21 mΩ

With that internal resistance rating, they should be quite good! These specs were at orbtronic.com The length dimension is for a button-top cell, added by Orbtronic and re-wrapped with their name on it.
FastTech states the chemistry as Battery core: LiNiCOMnO2 which is a tweak of the Powerizer chemistry.

Post #6 here: https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/21369. I recall the PDF spec sheets form Panasonic confirmed those #'s StyXSIS posted there. Here's a press release from KeepPower on them: http://www.keeppower.net/sdp/1356484/4/nd-5804170/144211.html

IS says 35 milli-ohm here: illuminationsupply.com-panasonic-ncr18650pf-2900mah

I could only conclude from all this, it's higher internal resistance than a PD, but maybe this was all prelim specs?

Either way, 21 or 35 is still very good and the better chemistry is a plus. They’re creating an 18650 Powerizer cell that can take repeated cycles and maintain high discharge rates. Remember, the LiNiMnCo chemistry of the Powerizer was designed to power electric cars and bikes.

Pretty sure they’ll run my 6A application quite nicely! :slight_smile: And with 2900mAh on tap, they’ll do it for a longer time. :wink:

Either way the resistance does not matter much in this light because its regulated with a buck driver, voltage sag is no issue.

NCR18650B will run even longer since they have about 3000mAh at 4A discharge.

Ive never had an issue with the protection circuit in any of my green protected NCR18650B. And ive tested a few in terms of current and low voltage where I have hit the protection.

On the stock light I see no reason to use PD/PF cells or something with lower capacity....Drain will mostly be 2-2,5A on high which is not that much, and voltage sag does not matter.

Highly modified there might be an advantage to PD/PF cells depending on how the driver works when cell voltage is low. But most likely normal Protected 18650B will do just fine.

On my modified ZY-T08 with buck driver set to 6,4A, high will not work properly when cell voltage is below 3,55V it seems (protected NCR18650B). But I prefer having that type of warning.. That just means its time to change cells if im going to continue on high for some time, or go down to medium in order to extend runtime... Id rather have some type of warning in the 3-3,55v range, than to have regulated output all the way to you hit the protection circuit..

So with that driver in that light, Protected NCR18650B have better runtime and give me a warning in good time.. That is a win win situation. Considering that price is lower too, win, win win. :)

In basically every single XM-L 2x18650 series light NCR18650B is the way to go (IMO)... Great runtime, great price and with great performance.

+1 RaceR86 - on that modified ZY-T08, is is modified from parallel cells to series? Big difference there... Also green protected Pana B's? Where were they from? Believe Scot got his from FastTech and 3 out of 4 failed, but we don't really know the nature of those failures, but he was unable to resurrect the cells.

Here's Scot's thread: https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/21182#node-24504, interesting reading...