help needed from the laser gurus

Thank you very much for the info :slight_smile:

In 473nm they have a 1 watt laser for $210: http://www.shenzhen-wholesale.com/473nm-1000mw-powerful-blue-laser-pointer_sku5881.html

I think that might be a little crazy for my start in non-green/red lasers :slight_smile:

I see they have a 100mw 405nm for $30 and a 200mw 405nm for $50 (only interested in lasers that take 18650 or 26650): http://www.shenzhen-wholesale.com/top302-200mw-405nm-adjust-focus-purple-blue-laser-pointer-118650_sku2456.html

On Jetlasers site they don’t have a 405nm under $300 shipped (300mw)

On laserbtb they don’t have anything in 405nm that takes 18650.

I’ll grab the 200mw 405nm from that site for $50, sounds like the best option to get started even if it’s over rated/poor quality.

-Jamie M.

That's not a 473nm laser, it's a 445nm, or 405nm mislabeled. 99% it will also not be 1W.

If you're going the more budget route, and willing to chance it a bit, but far far less than the option you're looking at, I'd suggest lazerer.com or o-like.com instead.

I asked them to confirm 473nm, and they said “Yes, we confirm. We have test sheet provide that measure wavelength will equal 473nm. Please see beam color: ”http://oi44.tinypic.com/2ahdyix.jpg”:http://oi44.tinypic.com/2ahdyix.jpg it is guaranteed minimum 800mw on test sheet but we can look at test sheets and pick you one with highest result. Please do not run light for more than 180 seconds without letting cool fully before restart. Thank you.”

That 180 seconds worries me a little, it gets that hot, that fast?

I saw quite a few negative reviews of lazerer lasers. Mostly to do with dirty lenses/poor beam quality with glued bodies impossible to disassemble or clean :frowning:

$70 for 200mw 405nm in 18650 host, not bad at all. http://lazerer.com/lzcs-classic-405nm-200mw-focusable-violet-laser-pointer

Ohhh, this looks like the one! 300mw, 405nm, 18650, $69!! http://www.o-like.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=276&zenid=73qhesuvs35jufa17tfjhph1j1

Thanks again for the links/info :slight_smile:

EDIT: Uh oh, says they can’t accept MasterCard, wtf? :frowning: I sent them an e-mail asking if they can do PayPal.

-Jamie M.

An actual 473nm handheld laser is not going to get anywhere near 1 watt. 80mW 473nm, sure, not 800mW. And even at 80mW it would be double that price.
Regardless of what they “confirm” or claim to guarantee its mislabeled.

Crazy! Would be funny if I received it “Oh, we meant 80.0mW, whops”. Crazy though. Should I ask for the copy of the certification certificate she talked about? See if it’s from a reputable source, or specifies the testing equip, etc??

The o-like people got back to me with a paypal invoice, they’re payment processor is having trouble with credit cards so they said they can do it through paypal. I’ll post it up when I get it :slight_smile:

-Jamie M.

It's not going to be 473nm. Don't take my word for it though, go ahead and buy it.

While you're at it, grab one of those 10,000 lumen C8's I keep hearing they sell.

Is there any diodes better/cheaper than the one from dtr I had linked in the blue/violet/purple range I should look at? I wouldlike it to easily pop balloons and burn.

Also, is there a driver that has multiple modes that's not pwm based that will be good for driving a laser diode? Ramping would be cool

No, no non pwm based drivers with modes that I'm aware of. The one from dtr should work fine.

You probably also know this. The color of the material you try to burn generally needs to be a different color that your laser in order to burn well.

For red lasers, the best option for goggles would be this: http://www.survivallaser.com/Eagle_Pair__190-400nm___580-760nm_Laser_Safety_Goggles/p556088_5258175.aspx

Not certified, but very good. The other option is to go with certified goggles but those can end up running quite a bit more.

Most blue-ray burners will have 405 nm diodes in them capable of either ~100mW or ~500mW depending on the specific diode. Usually it will be the lower powered ones. I suggest going with dtr for diodes instead of buying dvd drives.

In terms of burning, it's not so much about having the opposite color, but rather absorption. When you see something red, what you're seeing is the object reflecting back red light. Same goes for green, or blue.

But, BUT, shorter wavelengths like 405, and 445nm, are generally very well absorbed by most materials. Also just because something appears to be of a certain color to you, does not mean that it won't burn from a laser of a similar looking color. Apply enough power and a red balloon will pop from a red laser.

My knowledge comes just from reading about lasers for the past 3 years or so, and playing with them a lot in the same way as with flashlights, but I definitely do not consider myself a laser guru. Kind of wish I'd studied a bit of electrical engineering in the past instead of philosophy.

Thanks again IE (Can we call you that?). More great info.

Do you have any thoughts on the budget glasses recommended above for blue lasers. Here is the product link.

Lol, you're welcome to call me IE... everyone does it all the time anyway :p

Here's a result of my testing on the same kind of goggles: http://laserpointerforums.com/f52/cheap-safety-goggles-destructive-test-uvex-s0360x-ultra-spec-2000-a-73484.html

There is no guarantee that the dye used didn't change, but the latest batch of goggles I ordered off of amazon was still good.

Btw, if any of you guys ever want your lasers tested: http://laserpointerforums.com/f70/now-over-60-listed-list-lpf-members-lpms-locations-81288.html

Wow InfinitusEquitas (I'll save IE for casual conversation), that was a great LPF contribution. Thank you for taking one for the team. As you said, one can not rely on one test alone, but it is a good sign. I like how your linked to tsteele93's testing too.

I've lurked quite a bit over at LPF the last couple days. It seems like a good place.

I broke down and ordered and already received the laser module and a pair of safety glasses that Pulsar is considering above. Very fast delivery. The diode is potted in the module, so the bar code is not visible. I'm considering pulling the diode and reflowing it to the copper "pill" with silver based solder.

For now, I think I will just build a pill and put the module in a Ultrafire Trustfire X8 host. It has plenty of heat sinking and the stock driver delivers 1.5 amps on high with 2 cells. If not, I will use one of the other 2S stock drivers I have laying around. I'll upgrade the driver later, after I decide which one I really want.

I'm thinking of also eventually making the laser a triple emitter LED light too. I need to find a security key switch so that I can lock out the laser circuitry.

I don't know when I will get a chance to build this though.

You’ll need a diode press (diy or brought) to try to get it out without damage.
Heavily potted? Pic?
Which laser? If its DTR’s in copper, personally I’d leave it be.

So it's pressed in and should already have a good solid direct thermal connection to the copper "pill". thingy? Sounds like I shouldn't need to reflow the diode. You have an opinion on that? I searched the concept and didn't find good info about it.

I don't know how heavily potted it is. There is which some thermal glue oozed out around the connection posts, but it's doesn't completely cover the back of the diode.

EDIT: OK, found some info on how the parts fit. The diode is pressed in with force as it's a tight fit. So reflowing is not necessary.

Ask the 473nm seller if its direct diode or DPSS. Ill laugh so hard if they say direct diode :bigsmile:

So I think I am set on running this off either two 18350s or two rcr123a lifepo4 cells. Could/should I get away with using a buck driver made for LEDs, or should I stick with a driver made for laser diodes? If so, how many amps can I safely drive the m140 at? Would 2.5-3a cook it?

I missed your second question Helios-. Yes, it's DTR's copper module. I'll take you advice and not mess with it.

Hi Pulsar. I have no experience so I will quote what DTR says in the ebay ad:

You must use a "constant current" power source like a current limiting driver or variable current power supply with the current limited to no more than 1.8A or you diode will suffer thermal runaway and die.

I would think you can use any of your CC flashlight drivers as long and as you get you max current down below 1.8A.