Looking for feedback on JAXMAN E2L Triple Nichia 219

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Looking for thoughts/info/feedback from any owners of this:

JAXMAN E2L 3LED TIR LENS flashlight 18650 flashlight torch Nichia 219B 219C

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I’m trying to decide between “warm yellow 4000K” or “cool white 5700K” versions.

In the heading is shows 219B / 219C but no where in the description is says which one it comes with, I also couldn’t find any mention of the actual CRI #, if it’s 80CRI or 90CRI etc.

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If you look at the invoices they show from Nichia the two types are:

WARM WHITE LED NVSL219CT

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WHITE LED NVSW219CT

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I have no experience with Nichia 219, although I’m about to order this little light to try it (5000K): Astrolux-Ti3A-Titanium 219C
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A lot of fanfare for Nichia and high CRI, it has my interest because I like better color rendering, however the 219 tints often being described as “rosy” is what has put me off. My preference for tint is around 5000K NW, like 3C & 3D. My 4C Convoy S2+ (4300K-4500K) is a little warm but it’s not too bad. Although I don’t own any I don’t think I’d like a very warm tint like 3000k if its too yellow, I’m not really into the “incandescent” look. But at some point I’ll probably try one anyhow.

The reasons I like NW is for its better color rendition, especially outdoors, and I dislike any sort of blue/green hue. I could be happy with a CW if it’s pure white without any blue/green hue, but I’d always go for a NW if available for the better color rendition.

I didn’t know there was Nichia 219 in CW or WW, thought they were all NW. I’m wondering if the 3000K might be too warm/yellow, if so maybe the 5700K would be best for me if it doesn’t have much of a blue/purple hue, 5700K doesn’t sound all that cold and I’d be interested to see the better color rendering of the Hi CRI, so I guess I’m leaning towards that one.

I couldn’t find any reviews on this flashlight with Nichia 219. I can’t tell much from the comparison photo they show with the little beamshots shined against a black wall. I also watched the you tube video of the WW linked in the description, it doesn’t appear too yellow and the green bush looks nice, but everything else in the vid looks kind of drab to me, not the greatest surroundings for a High CRI demo.

So I’d like to hear some thoughts on these tints to help me decide, and also any feedback on this light in general.
Thanks

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219Bs are generally considered “rosy”, and 219Cs are more neutral.

I personally like the 219Bs. 4000K isn’t really “warm yellow”, but just warm of neutral, a rather nice color.

To me, even 5000K is a bit cool for my taste.

But hey, it’s all about personal preference. Only way to really tell which you like better is to just get both. :smiley:

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I have here an Astrolux-Ti3A-Titanium 219C for review

The tint is definitely a lot more neutral than the BLF348 Nichia

Unfortunately its has Next mode memory with one strobe mode, mode spacing is well, but why the heck NMM no memory and this would be a great light

There are some Nichia LED batches like the first version of Astrolux MF01 5000K that have almost white tint, not the rosy

5700K is a mix of neutral and cold white, not my preference but a good choice over 6500k cold white

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Oh, I just noticed something…

You mention the 4C being a little too warm in your S2. It was always that way for me, too, but the reflector accentuates the fried-egginess of the beam. The hotspot is yellower than the summed 4C color, and the spill is bluer than the summed 4C color. Mix them together in a TIR (like my S2 with TIR lens), and the color is beautiful, like nice warm but bright sunlight. TIRs in general have much less fried-egginess to their beams than reflectors.

The E2L has a triple TIR, so you should be really happy with 4000K-4500K behind the lens.

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Also… (!)

WW like 3000K will seem quite warm at first, but once you get used to it and to how things look under warmer light (reds and browns, especially woodgrains, just pop under WW), it’ll definitely grow on you.

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Thanks for all your reply’s and thoughts Lightbringer, it’s very helpful. I think I’m beginning to feel the same way about 5000K being slightly on the cold side for me as well. So I think your information is swaying me now towards 4000K. But I’m still intrigued about the 5700K being High CRI, I didn’t think CW could be High CRI. At least it’s towards the NW end of the cold spectrum.

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Interesting about the 4C in reflector vs TIR. I actually have a couple TIR lens to fit the S2+ (floody angle) I haven’t tried yet. Now I’m going to try one in it soon as I get a chance and see what I think.

There is a Crelant light I want but it only comes in either XPL CW or XML-2 WW 5C, I’ve been thinking about getting the 5C version just to try a warmer tint, I think 5C is only slightly below 4000K. Although it’s a pity that it’s not an XPL like the CW version.

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Yes that is VERY unfortunate, I really wanted that little light, and I was real happy to see: “do not have memory function” in the description. But I can’t stand NMM, glad I waited and glad I mentioned it here, thank you!

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Specification:
Product name: Astrolux Ti3A Titanium Nichia 219C 85LM Mini LED Flashlight
Brand: Astrolux
Model: Ti3A
Emitter Type: Nichia 219C
Light temperature: 5000K
Light color: Neutral white
Material: Titanium
Mode: High,Mid,Low,Strobe

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So the current stock of Astrolux MF01 Nichia 219C 5000K has a more “rosy” tint? :frowning:

Also, thanks for your info and thoughts on the tint of 5700K Nichia.

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I first noticed the effect when lighting up a room via ceiling-bounce. Was expecting yellow (per the hotspot), but got quite a nice color. That’s when the obvious dawned on me. :smiley:

5C should be quite nice, too. Almost put one into an F13. May try it in an S2+.

I was just playing with a TK4A (CW) and SF32W (WW). The CW is as to be expected. Red stripe on my camera-case looked rather dull under CW, popped under WW. Gold Bond squeezy-bottle looked totally different under both.

Matched the brightnesses, more or less, then lit up everything simultaneously, Wow! Best of both worlds… The bottle looked much better in the mix.

That’s about what the 4C would look like. A little shove warmer would be about a 5C, also nice. But long-tern, I’m convinced 4300K or so (border between 4A/4D or 4B/4C) is easiest on the eyes. But definitely use a TIR.

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I’m beginning to realize through this conversation that because I prefer neutral tints, and since it has a TIR lens, the 4000K Nichia 219 would be a better choice over the 5700K in the Jaxman triple.

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Yeah, I’m toying with replacing the CW emitter in my TK4A with something warmer, only I need something that can handle 3A or more (~1100lm on turbo), so that’s a Cu star at least, preferably also DTP.

But, it’s a reflector, not TIR, so I don’t want it to go totally fried-egg on me.

No way a Nichia can handle that (well, not for long).

Looks like the hole in the reflector can fit an XM, not just an XP, and would be centered better.

Decisions, decisions…

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I really don’t know anything about reading Nichia spec charts - but when I look up NVSW219CT on Nichia’s site it’s showing 5000K not 5700K

http://www.nichia.co.jp/en/product/led_product_data.html?type='NVSW219C'

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Interesting though in their Mini C8 they’re were calling 5700K “Neutral White”, a different LED though it was 219 B not C:

Nichia 219B LED Bulb - 350lm 5700k Neutral White (LED Made in Japan)

Apparently an older model they don’t produce anymore, the current version they re named the M8, and I only see it with XPL-HI (Throw) or XML-2 (Flood)

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This explains a lot: Just read this quote by Jaxman in response to Lexel’s observation they were calling their High CRI XHP50 5000K “Warm White”:

“hi Lexel, in Chinese flashlight market, we normally call 5000K about CCT as warm white. Maybe there is a translation bug. Such as the 3C 3B Led, we call them warm white”
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(Lightbringer, you also commented on it in that thread: Here come the High CRI CREE XHP50 LED)

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So actually maybe the 4000K in the E2L Nichia triple would really be (what we call) Neutral White?

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Just noticed in their E2 Nichia single emitter they’re calling the 219C 5700K “Natural White”

Here’s a nice comparison shot from that listing:

In this photo the 5700K to me looks more bluish and the 4000K looks whiter although a bit rosy, but 4000K has better color rendition.

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like the listing for the triple Nichia E2L it’s confusing because they list “Nichia 219B/C” in the heading, but the description shows both tints are 219C.
Then more confusion with the lower comparison photos because they’re showing 219B 5700K

I find these listings confusing with 219B/C listed in the headings, and photos of the Nichia shipping invoices show 219C, and then showing 219B comparison photos.

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If I compare (with eye) JAXMAN E3 Nichia 219B series 4000K and JAXMAN E2L 3LED TIR LENS Nichia 219B 219C 4000K they feels same color.
Owned JAXMAN M8 small C8 Nichia 219B 5700K (currently not availeble) too, but it feeled to me too cool and selled it away

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Thanks, to clarify…you actually own both the E3 Nichia 219 (single emitter) and the E2L Nichia 219 (Triple) Both in 4000K? Or are you referring to comparing the photos shown in their listings?

Also thanks for letting me know your opinion about the 5700K nichia tint in the mini C8. By the way it appears there still may be some of those available from HKE, I posted a link a few posts back.

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I own them both, E3 and E2L (E2L couple weeks) and before writing compared them visually. 5700K (owned M8 about 8 month and selled it right after getting E2L) was not bad and definately not blue but white, it just my subjective opinion, that compared 4000K I dont like so cool light

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- Clemence

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Thanks for clarifing, and for the additional info and opinion on 5700K

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Nice comparison pic, thanks! I think I like the one just right of center best 219B-V1… but that’s not offered in this model, next choice for me is probably dead center sm403, not sure what CCT these would be? I don’t know about the sm numbers. But for this light it looks like they are sm405 (warm) / sm575 (cool) both Ra9050

So the Jaxman E2L 4000K (sm405) may be very close to the center one (sm403) in your photo.

Don’t think I like the far 2 on both ends. Center 3 look best for me.

Thanks also for the link to virence, very interesting site, I like the sm403 in the other pic too (one with E05 shining against white surface) This is all very helpful for my decision with the E2L.