Newbie - small light for self defence

Hi experts,

I’m looking for a light that I can carry every day in a coat pocket.
The purpose of the light would primarily be to cause temporary blindness in case of attack. I guess this means 1000 lumens+.
Ideally the light should be an inch or less in diameter and upto six inches long.
Strike bezel would be OK as long as I could remove it easily - I fly a lot around Europe and don’t want any problems with security staff.
Finally I’d prefer lower cost than higher as I’m looking to buy two, one for me, one for wife.

I’ve pm’d tatasal as I could see things on offer recently. The klarus xt12gt looks great but the head’s a bit large at 45mm.

What are your suggestions?

Thanks,

Stu.

There will be a lot of different opinions here but please get that idea out of your head.

Learn spatial awareness, be savvy in your surroundings and you two learn how to use your body if being attacked.

Welcome to the forum :slight_smile:

Welcome to BLF!
Idk how effective strobe is
Especially when you know you usually do not have it on strobe when turning on so it requires some more action then just taking it.

How much do you know about li ion?
Read up on li ion safety, link in my SIG
Then we can help you better.

Pepper spray works much better. Don’t count on a light for self defense. Will likely get your head beat in with your own flashlight if you strobe someone serious about robbing you.

Depends on what you consider cheap. But if you were considering the Klarus light then not to cheap. I’d recommend the nitecore p12gt. If you looking to be on a budget a convoy s2+ with 8x7135 chips. Or have a member build you one with a fet driver. Maybe mitko or another Europe member could build you a light and ship to you. But off the shelf in your range nitecore p12gt, thrunite tn12, tc12, convoy s2+ 8*7135.

Learn the ui well on all my lights different makes and models I can get into strobe without even thinking about it. But even without strobe a full on 1000+ lumens makes it hard to see. But if someone is serious about harming you a strobe will only disorient them for a little bit. I wouldn’t count on it. You turn it on them and run or blind them with the strobe and beat them down. Maybe you should consider a large light. That you can strobe them and then beat them with the light. Strobe alone won’t save you

A self defense flashlight is about as useful as a tactical feather.

i dont think really a flashlight would save u in case someone with a knife or weapon try mug you… then u need have a small knife instead.

I just shined 1600 lumen in my eyes and immediately typed this message.
As others have said, bright lights will offer no protection.
You are better off carrying a big stick.

:wink:

Klarus XT11GT

50m beamshot

I’m not a fan of counting on a flashlight as a self-defense tool either, but as you are located in Europe, I’m not familiar with the laws there.

I would also recommend a Convoy S2/S2+ light with the 8x 7135 driver and CW 1A XM-L2 emitter, as sold by Simon:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-Shipping-Convoy-S2-Gray-Cree-XML2-U2-1A-AMC7135-3-2-Group-3-5-Mode/330416_1614328969.html

The full size S2 is a bit longer, but has a deeper reflector, making the beam a bit tighter so more throw:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Convoy-s2-18650-edc-small-hard-oxygen-t6-u2-strong-light-flashlight/330416_826041411.html

Check out the full selection Simon has available through Convoy:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Convoy-Flashlights/330416_254412389.html

I’m a fan of the pocket clip for EDC carry:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/universal-clip-suitable-for-S2-S2-M1-C8/330416_32579921654.html

…but holsters are available too:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/high-quality-nylon-holster-for-Convoy-S2-S3-flashlight/330416_32753197347.html

Just carry a gun. If all the muslim invaders are allowed to carry them, why can’t you?

Without knowing your local laws, legal system, representation and plaintiff/defendant rights a flashlight (and a pair of sneakers for a speedy get away) might be your best option. “Lethality” of an object in my local courts is defined as much by intended usage as it is physical attribute. So a rock or a brick used to offensively crack someones skull could be presented to a jury as more lethal than a knife or even a gun depending how an attorney presents usage intent evidence to a jury.

Not sure if you are ready to take on that level of responsibility when it comes to rule of law and self defense in the event that something goes really wrong and you find yourself in a bad situation.

As far as lights go, IMHO you will want as tight a beam profile as you can fit into your intended carry method. The goal is to concentrate as many lumens in between someones eyes as you can. A wide floody beam will be less effective. Lux output into a tight spot will be more important than color temperature, CRI or lumen output by itself. At the same time I don’t think you want something “too” concentrated because missing the target completely will be no use. So aspheric throwers would not be ideal here.

IMHO a smooth reflector design, 6000K, with a high current XP-L Hi. The Klarus recommendation above is a good one IMHO.

You mention traveling and coat pocket carry… TSA at my local airports posts signs that travelers can not carry-on Lithium batteries. I have never had a problem with that but I could see it becoming one.

You can carry-on liion, just not check them in baggage. If that were the case, nobody would be allowed on the airplane with a cell phone or a laptop.

A flashing LED is not self defense. Don’t believe the marketing lies.

Oh right… I had it backwards then. my apologies

Not by itself, which is how they are wrongly marketed and perceived. As part of a system with proper training however it definitely could be advantageous if it buys you time as a perp looks away even for a few seconds. That could be the difference between combative restraint and a clean / swift get away.

Your very limited on what you can and can’t carry in Europe/uk anything that could be used as a weapon is a big no no.
So you need something you would have on you for a genuine other reason.
A flashing torch as others have said is more likely to get stuck somewhere it shouldn’t if you try to use it on an attacker.
If your really keen to have something, I’d carry one of those cheap plastic 2 D cell torches, be sure to carry TWO spare d cell batteries though, personally I’d store them together in a very long hiking sock to stop them shorting out :wink:
Keep them in your jacket pocket in case you need to pull then out fast in an emergency :wink:

There are few lights you can access strobe right out the pocket

Nitecore P5 P10 and various Klarus XT lights have a Strobe ready paddle in the tailcap

Lights like Nitecore P12 can memory strobe