Wow, amazing how general and in my view somewhat surreal some of the discussion is getting here, starting from the rather trivial POVD. So here is to entering the meta-level discussion:
Mr. Redgreen had had a rough day. On his way home in the evening, it started to rain, and he had a long road trip ahead. But he knew how to handle the street; green was go, and red was stop. He even knew how to navigate the short yellow traffic light moments. So Mr. Redgreen started to relax. He was in familiar territory.
Still, something was off, like a splinter in his mind. He had heard rumors about people driving off at flashing speed on roads entirely without traffic lights. He had heard that there was no red or green at all, and no worries about stop and go, just the blue and sometimes even purple sky. So when Mr. Redgreen came to the crossing, he took the road he had always ignored before.
The pouring rain had stopped, and now, all over his view, a breathtaking rainbow had formed. In the far distance, he could just barely see a green traffic light, but he instantly realized he would not get there for hours to come. Mr. Redgreen took a deep breath, went off at maximum speed, a speed he had never traveled at before, and he felt… free.
Coming back to this: fwiw, I have now emphasized the POVD in my generic diagram as well as in my exemplary model-specific diagram by adding some colors (screenshot from the model-specific diagram):
The idea here is to make this feature more visible and thus easier to discover. Maybe this will help with some of the initial confusion.
Furthermore, I have created a pull request over at GitHub to add the present POVD default setting of 4 seconds to the manual:
All of this is about the documentation of the current status only, not about changing it. Over at GitHub, quite a few open pull requests and issues have accumulated, so it may take a while until this documentation detail for the manual is possibly addressed.
I’ve just “discovered” that one of the choices after 7H from off is “voltage”:
Red - yellow - green - cyan - blue - purple - white - disco - rainbow - VOLTAGE
Does this mean this mode will display voltage all the time, even without clicking? I am testing this but if true this definitely would be my favorite.
BTW I’m still using my “method,” of simplifying the colors to 4 groups. For my case this method makes this option so easy to use.
Bluish - do nothing
Green - do something
Yellow - do something NOW
Red - drop dead
Thank you. Hmm… so basically always-on voltage indicator, no need to click anything to see battery level? No need to look carefully while voltage sag recovers and flashes multiple different colors?
I previously ahd some (mild) criticism of this feature, but this changed everything. Very nice!!
You still have the multi color flashing, because when it hits the transition voltage between colors, it can’t pick one, and will alternate between them, sometimes for a while… Hours, if not days if you have the aux set to low. I found it too annoying to use.
Exactly that, it’s how I use the aux lights on mine.
@AK-Adventurist In my experience I’ve not had the transition voltage thing happen very often and when it does a couple of seconds of turbo usually cures it.
Thanks. I will propose a new name: AOVD, for always on voltage display . Just curious have you (or anyone) seen the color yellow yet? I am trying to catch it at yellow, but unsuccessful so far. So far I seem to see only pure green, then green-yellow mix, then red.
Ah yes, do something
My D4V2 seems to make yellow better (but unfortunately it doesn’t have AOVD), it seems to create yellow by mixing red and green. Maybe the red in Wurkkos TS10 is not bright enough or something.
This will make the POVD more visible and more understandable, no matter whether it is enabled or disabled by default. I figure (also with possible additional documentation in the manual) the POVD will go from “almost impossible to discover” to “if you can see colors, you will probably come across it”.
People are hooked on anduril.
It seems to me they are now unknowingly being drawn into the rainbow coalition.
I believe this rainbow battery indicator was ideologically chosen. It is not logical.
Stop light colors of green, yellow, red and possibly add a flashing red at the bottom end would be universally known immediately around the world. If yellow is a problem, amber could be substituted.
All it would need is red and green LEDs to be present, not even full RGB.
“Yellow” = red+green, probably throttled down to avoid yellow being too bright.
I should add that some people are hooked on andouille, not everybody.
Funny, but like that review someone posted/referenced in a different thread, the guy was right, that IF you want to get arsed enough to configure the light to your liking, you can do it with andy.
Me, unless it’s something I really hate, or if configging it is easy (eg, stepped to ramping), I can’t get arsed enough to do that.
Ooh, ooh, ooh. I got an idea. if everything IS configurable, why not 2 options? For that POVID thing, if people prefer The Gay Flag (not that there’s anything wrong with that ) to show 7 different voltage ranges, fine, but have the option to select just green/yellow/red/blink-red for normies who prefer “traffic lights”?
(I’m assuming those selectors can be made to blink, right?)
As far as I can tell, this was present all the time, although several details have changed since the initial diagram release. In the very beginning, there were some abbreviations present, but that quickly got clarified thanks to @jon_slider.
Thank you for the heads-up. I can only speak for my own intention (I have not chosen the rainbow battery indicator), and I surely do not intend to draw anyone into anything “rainbow”. As you mentioned being “unknowingly” drawn, I have given this some thought, and still, for myself, I do not feel like being drawn into an ideology of any kind, either.
When I see a rainbow, I am thinking “full color spectrum”, which hopefully does not qualify as an ideology. And coming from this perspective, to me, there is indeed logic in the current rainbow battery indicator, going from low energy red (low battery) to high energy purple (full battery).
The diagram I referred to is for documentation and ease of access, so I thought it is fitting to establish a visual color connection betweeen the aux LED colors for voltage and actual VOLTAGE (which @cannga referred to as AOVD, always on voltage display) as well as actual POVD, post-off voltage display. The voltage colors are showing with both the AOVD and the POVD, so with the information in the diagram the user can establish what voltage value corresponds to the respective displayed voltage color.
these rainbow colored details to me appear to me to be just that, details, which do not take up or define the entire diagram as a rainbow flag or anything similar. Still, I am always happy to improve the visual language of the diagram, so just let me know if there is something I could do in order to achieve that.
It’s a long thread and people have referenced the rainbow versus the stoplight with much better arguments for the stoplight system in my opinion. Even the original poster mentioned " this is an illogical way of using green”. So the rainbow issue is only part of the problem. By most measurements once you get down to 3.6, 3.5V or so there is less than 20% capacity left in a battery. This current rainbow gauge system dedicates three of six colors to the last (less than) 20% of capacity.
We all use lights differently. For the people who just want this lit up while it’s sitting on their shelf for a year (you know who you are) this probably makes a lot of sense. And there are a few more people who are occasionally using some lights at less than one lumen. And they can go a year or more without charging. This is totally fine for them.
I would propose.
Green >3.95 or 4.0
Yellow/Amber 3.75 /3.94
Red 3.5/3.74
Flashing red < 3.49
These numbers could be adjusted a little bit.
If you wanted to use more colors they would fall below the red. The stoplight colors would start at the top.
Got you. What you are saying makes sense to me from the stoplight perspective. I guess my main point was that, to me, the rainbow perspective is perfectly logical.
Ordinarily, I’d say the voltages you picked were a bit on the high side, but thinking how I charge my lights, this scale makes more sense.
Especially with my TS10 (OG), I can tell by the aux lights being almost too hard to see that it’s in the mid-3s and needs a topping off. When it’s down to 3.4V, it starts dropping like a rock, especially with a 14500 vs 18650. Runtime at any appreciable output is short to almost nonexistent, as it’ll fall off a cliff and start immediately stepping down.
Yeah, anything below the 4s, and I consider topping it off. High 3s, definitely needs to be watched and topped off if needed. Mid 3s, definitely getting charged at the first opportunity. Low 3s, yeah, don’t even bother using it, just charge it.
If it’s even 3.6V-3.7V and I gotta go grubble around in the dark a while, forget it, I just grab a different light.
This is just blinking out the voltage after sitting a while, not the whole POVID thing.
Now, there’s no doubt there’s more in reserve when running an 18650 or especially 21700/bigger, but the principle is the same. By the time you get to the bottom half of the 3s, it’s time to charge up asap.
