Well we are clear in aiming for LEDs with the 3535 footprint.
IN the XP G3 groupbuy I see:
11. TomE……………………….3pc
And in another G3 topic I see:
So we are expecting first hand experience with them!
It is not that the XP-L HI has tons less output than the XP-L, in comparable tints it is just about 10%. What you get back is less tint variation in the beam, and a brighter and smaller but still big spot. You suggest that the HI has a worse tint than the HD, but it comes in just as nice tints, I do not see where that comes from.
Nevertheless I see very good reason to use the HD version, for best output.
@The Miller: there’s no sign from Cutter that anything is shipped yet, so perhaps Tom (via vob) has them sooner than I.
I know I’ve said I’m done spending for a while but this may take a while so put me on the list.
I vote high CRI Nichia 219C’s.
Yes, I just got in the 219C 320’s (higher bin, lower CRI) from Richard, and I believe the XP-G3’s are on the way from down under now to VOB, then to me from there… Sounds like djozz will get his first, and certainly will admit they will be better off in his hands for the ultimate testing he does, if that’s his plan.
I for one really like the throw you get from a multi-LED light of this sort. The 3 LED and 5 LED SRK style lights I got modded, flood and throw quite well. Even the 7 and 9 LED lights, 3 26650 plunger style, I have modded have very good throw and flood. I’d be disappointed if it was more pure flood, like a Meteor M43, Niwalker MM15, or even small quads I’ve built. I’m not look’n for a cheaper, bulkier alternative to an M43 or MM15. The classic SRK of 3-5 LED’s always had decent amounts of both. There’s been a history here on BLF of modding SRK’s with de-domed emitters, and some excellent beam shots posted showing the differences. In the past there wasn’t an option of XP-L HI’s, so I think this option would be a great benefit, specially in a group buy.
SRK’s are considered a flooder because obviously they can’t be called throwers, but with individual reflector per LED, you do get decent throw from them, so they are a compromise, part of why the SRK form factor is so unique, simple, and still fits in a jacket pocket.
No review but I got my G30 and all I can say is I like the floody MTG2. In the SRK I am not looking for a thrower nor radical tint factors. Floody MTG2 and tint of the G30 suit me well.
Tom that are some valid points so I changed to word flooder to flashlight in the title, we all know what a SRK style light is.
I didn’t mean to suggest that. I suggested that both of the Crees have worse tint than the 219c. The only real difference I see between the Cree HI and the HD is the efficiency. So you can have the best output from the Cree HD or the best tint from the Nichia 219c. What does the HI offer you the best of? I’m…not sure.
Add me to the list!
Just got my first li-ion flashlight, and is new to this forum.
But this looks like a must have haha
Okay, so the last few comments (culminating with a wording change in the project’s title) have led me to believe that I may have had the wrong impression of what this light is supposed to be. See, I’ve never had an SRK because by the time I came around the hobby they were all crap. But I thought they were very floody lights, basically a budget Meteor, and I let that mindset inform my thoughts and comments about it. That seems to be the wrong idea. So I’ll step down off my “no-HI” soapbox now 
Carry on guys!
emarkd you are not alone. many blf-ers think the same. And as I’ve already said doomed domed XP-L is more applicable for SRK flooder. I have none of 4*LED SRK like flashlights to compare with but I’d definitely prefer more flood light from my 3*XM-L2 SRK clone and roche M170 (again 3*XM-L2).
I’m interested, please put me on the list.
@Tjhosan Welcome to BLF.
@all, let me try to make some pics of the SRK and 4 reflector.
No way it won’t produce massive flood 
they even do that with a rappy driver and LB leds now
My fault here as well - I’m guilty of taking many things for granted, as common knowledge, where the reality is readers cover the entire spectrum. I’ll post details on my XM-L2 4 LED SRK clone later this evening - amps, lumens, throw. Can also post 3 LED and the 5 LED modded SRK light numbers so everyone can get some perspective. It’s hard - some of us know SRK’s very well, but clearly it’s also a new, or different form factor light to many.
Totally agree though - the SRK’s out there now are 98% junk: no decent heat path, fake under performing LED’s. Couple of rare exceptions, like the famous SupFire M6, but it has no 4 LED or 5 LED option.
Tom E yes, please.
And and as soon as you have different… from your pov what led configuration provides better beams ? 3, 4, 5 ?
After just looking at four soda can lights here is a little theory.
The lights
SRK 3 led
SRK 4 led (identical to the first apart from reflector and LEDs)
Silver 3 led thing
Uniquefire 1401 (4 LEDs)
The latter two have 1 whole reflector for each led, while the first two have a reflector that is like three or four reflectors where a piece has been cut off so they could merge.
The 3 LED SRK
About 1/3 of the single reflector is missing while that is about half (1/2) of the 4 LED SRK
Less reflector wall to direct the light forward, ergo more flood, simply by design.
So how many emitters?
4000 lumens is single XHP70 territory! This thing should be going on for 5 figures really
With the 3,4,5 led reflectors, the 3 and 4 reflectors are fastened to the shelf with a bolt in the middle and the 5 up are fastened with 2 small bolts due to having a led in the middle, I have two of these (5 led) and the reflectors have the holes for the bolts in different places, its only 1~2mm and not a problem when making your own shelf, however this shelf is integrated :sunglasses:
Cheers David
Edit,
Jeansy, more lumens = more heat 4~5000 lm is about all this body will cope with for anymore than a minute.
OK, had to use the phone and also loosely in the hands, sorry for poor quality pics.
Also the quad SRK is much warmer tint and the phones picks up the blue lB tint of the triple much more and makes it seem brighter while the quad seems dimmer.
The heads
The heads
Ceiling visible beam around 2.3m high, just out of frame above the pic beam around 2.8m high
distance light to hotspot aroud 2,5m
cannot get the whole lit area in the pic, they actually light up the whole kitchen (10m at longest, 6m at widest, and high) NOW, as poorly made stock LBed SRKs, no other light I have can do this so well, not even the S70 or the also floody Uniquefire 1401 with better LEDs that out throws my SRKs easy.
triple
Quad
Outside, little less then 25 meter to the windows at ground level
Triple
Quad
When I go 1 floor up and shine onto the field, the phone does not register it, but the quad has both a better throw (the centre beam is wider) and more flood.
The blue tint of the triple makes it looks brighter then the warm quad on the pics but I see more of the field in terms of lighted area with the quad.
I’m guessing this is far more than 4K and lasts just over a minute before getting too hot to handle, plenty for a turbo mode…
From Mike C’s build here Link
I ran a 5,000 lumens SRK style 5X (Fing below) light for 2 1/2 minutes, and it began to get warm/hot, but this was a well heat sinked modded light, so the idea is to get the heat to the outside. Can't really compare a 12K-15K light (4K-5K per XHP-70 LED) that Mike C built with what we are talking about. He's pulling 15A at twice the voltage, equal to 30A from 4P cells. No idea what you are trying to say here, or compare to, but Mike C's custom build is wayyyy different. I can't find him mentioning cells, but the only way I see that working is with up to 8 18350's, so about half the capacity of 4 18650's we got here. Besides getting hot after one minute, the cells would probably deplete in 10-12 minutes, if I did the math correct.
Just for comparison purposes:
A SecurityLng SF55 4X SRK clone, modded by replacing the LED's with U2 3C's on the stock aluminum MCPCB, upgrading LED wires, and adding some thermal grease for the contact to the large MCPCB, does:
Lumens: 2,686 @start, 2,492 @ 30secs, 22.5 kcd (300 meters)
A TangsPower Fing 5X SRK clone, has smaller reflectors, fully modded with 4 U3 3D's and 1 U4 1C in the center on Noctigons, 2.5 mm thick copper shelf, 7135 based driver, 14.66A measured at the tail (clamp meter):
Lumens: 5,134 @start, 4,910 @ 30secs, 41.5 kcd (407 meters)
A SupFire M6 3X SRK clone, heavily modded with U3-2A's on 20mm Noctigons, FET+1 DD driver:
Lumens: 5,202 @start, 4,991 @ 30secs, 65.5 kcd (512 meters)
Note: An SRK running at a stable 15A on 4 Samsung 30Q BT's would run for 48 minutes (12Ah/15A = 0.8 hours).