SC65c HI pre-order (w/ flawed driver) vs current production (Zebraight misprint edition)

There’s an explanation of the pre-order issue here: Efficiency measurements of a few drivers - #92 by thefreeman

Mine was from the pre-order and I had it before the above was posted (July 2023). So I figured mine had the flawed driver. Of course Zebralight never reached out to anyone so there’s really no way to know for sure aside from opening up the light. It always annoyed me, as well as the fact the tailcap spring cuts a groove in the battery. So, upon learning that they’ve addressed the tailcap spring now, and presumably addressed the driver issue long ago, I bought another.

To try and quantify how the driver change would affect runtime, I decided to do a runtime test with the same battery (not same type, same exact) on H1 since the highest levels are where this inefficiency is supposed to manifest most clearly. I used a cooling fan because otherwise just sitting they tend to thermally throttle. And here it is:

Note, I included a test of the SC54w HI but it was not done as recently. It did use the same battery but I did this test a year or two ago. I have tested my pre-order SC65 before but wanted to do it again so that its comparison to the new one had fewer variables. I don’t care to redo the SC64w HI test, but I think it’s reasonable to include. Back when I did test it, I also tested my pre-order SC65 and that looks basically the same as the test I just did.

So, I have no idea. Maybe my preorder wasn’t affected, maybe they never fixed it (though I’ve seen posts from McBob saying it was fixed), maybe it doesn’t actually cause much of an issue. Maybe there’s so much room for error in my tests that by random chance they ended up looking the same. Maybe that 10 minutes of 75 lumens at the end is the benefit from the update. Who knows.

It also really doesn’t seem like it’s an efficiency improvement over the SC64. But obviously the low CRI XHP35 has higher efficacy, so maybe the driver is pushing less power for the same time as the SC65, and if a 719a were swapped into the SC64 it would be a lower amount of lumens over the same time as the SC65 is managing. Who knows.

Finally, while the tailcap does have the spring bent at the end, it still marks the battery and sounds like there is gravel in the threads (which goes away when the battery is removed, so it’s probably not the threads). However, it looks more like it is polishing a ring in what is a somewhat stonewashed finish on the battery, rather than cutting a groove. When I used the battery from my old SC65 for the runtime test, it was a lot smoother to put the tailcap on than with the brand-new battery that the new light shipped with. So maybe once the ring is polished the tailcap might feel a lot better.

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Thank you for sharing these results. I recently bought a couple of SC65Cs and my experience with the “improved” tailspring is the same as yours. It’s still scoring the battery but not very deeply.

I find it odd because this isn’t a problem that any of my other flashlights have. ZL is so detail-oriented about everything functional, I am surprised they would have “fixed” this problem without fully resolving it. It really wouldn’t matter if they had onboard charging but since they don’t this is still somewhat annoying. Maybe over time the edges of the spring will smooth out and the problem will go away.

With the upcoming release of the SC70 (which could be any day, week or month now) it will be interesting to see what advancements they’ve made.

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You could pull off the tailcap and try chamfering the edge at the end of the spring with a small hand file or sandpaper. Even a really tiny chamfer is probably enough to stop it scoring your batteries.

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That’s not the opinion I’ve formed. The driver being improperly assembled seems a lot more significant than the tail spring.

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Based on your results, and those of other tests, it seems like the driver is quite efficient and high quality.

Assuming the teething issues you noted about the earliest drivers has been resolved of course.

sorry to hear that

you could buy some 3 prong pliers:

and bend the tip of the spring down slightly

the issue with the “defective drivers” was that there were missing components on the board..

mcbob figured it out and added them to the lights he modded.. I dont know how to find the link to his post showing the missing parts and I dont know what they affected

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The link I included in the original post shows the missing parts, or at least how TheFreeman fixed it. He also shows the H1 driver efficiency ranged from ~75-85%. Once he added the missing components (though we don’t know if he used the exact same ones Zebralight later used) it went up to over 90% at H1. I don’t understand how a difference that large doesn’t manifest in the runtime testing I did.

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you might be right.. its a 15% change from the red arrow to the green arrow that I added to your chart:

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I don’t think that extra period of 75 lumens indicates an add’l 15% efficiency. Based on the Zeroair review, 75 lumens works out to maybe 0.4 amps, and 600 lumens is 2+ amps. So we’re comparing 2 amps for 76 minutes (2.53 amp hours) to 2 amps for 77 minutes plus 0.4 amps for 11 min (2.63 amp hours), which is around 4% more. Even if my details aren’t perfect, I don’t think the delta is anywhere close to 15%+.

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Does it? I guess that’s what I’m having trouble with. Maybe both lights have a “good” driver. Maybe Zebralight found a bunch of the bad ones in a corner and is assembling them into lights now, and both have the “bad” one. Who knows. I don’t expect ZL to be forthcoming, all their crap behavior (this driver, low CRI SC64 LE’s, etc) was discovered by users like thefreeman and bobmcbob and maybe others. I was hoping this test would show some conclusive difference between them and I could feel confident at least one of them was properly built.

The 719a also isn’t overly popular so it’s hard to compare like to like with other flashlights. I tested the Lume X1 KR1 w/ NTG50 high CRI emitter, and it makes almost 800 lumens for almost 90 minutes. However, since I did that test to compare vs some 21700 lights, I used a 4000mAh battery. The math would scale that down to about 77 minutes, or about the same as the SC65 HI. Except much brighter. Of course the emitter efficacies aren’t the same so again, who knows…

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Lume X1 is a great driver too! I don’t see how the comparison makes ZL seem inefficient.

I’m not defending ZL for any mistakes they’ve made, but I’m not seeing evidence that the 65c has a bad driver.