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ALL THINGS BUDGET KNIVES

Many of us here on BLF have or are growing a collection of knives. Since we are BLFers, many of us have a fascination (and collection) of budget knives. No need really to define the category of “budget.” (A wise CPA once told me that each and every one of us consumers defines our own levels of poverty and luxury!) In fact, even that topic, like many of the topics surrounding budget knives, creates wonderfully productive discussion.

This new thread is owed solely to the origination and stewardship by KaiserSosa of a more narrowly titled (but content rich) thread named “Medford Praetorian Clone….” He and many others generated a wealth of research, pictures, descriptions, sources and opinions which are a store of wealth. Please read it! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/30311

Soooooooooooo, here we go! All things Budget Knives!

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I have a few, but not photo yet of all of them.

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Based on valuable comments I read over on the Medford Praetorian thread http://budgetlightforum.com/node/30311 and studiously reading descriptions of Sanrenmu and Elan Bee knives on FastTech, Amazon and AliExpress, I am awaiting delivery of:

Sanrenmu 6261, 7078MUX-GVK, F3-723, 7073LUC-SK, and GR5-605.
Enlan Bee M024A, M025, EM01, EL04-MCT, and M028 M024A.
Harnds Knight CK6013.

Can’t help that I enter a new interest (of any kind, really) with slow, gradual and measured acquisition habits!!

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The Burgh wrote:
Based on valuable comments I read over on the Medford Praetorian thread http://budgetlightforum.com/node/30311 and studiously reading descriptions of Sanrenmu and Elan Bee knives on FastTech, Amazon and AliExpress, I am awaiting delivery of:

Sanrenmu 6261, 7078MUX-GVK, F3-723, 7073LUC-SK, and GR5-605.
Enlan Bee M024A, M025, EM01, EL04-MCT, and M028 M024A.
Harnds Knight CK6013.

Can’t help that I enter a new interest (of any kind, really) with slow, gradual and measured acquisition habits!!

All very good choices, I’d have swapped the Harnds KnightCK6013, (it’s a Kershaw Volt11 without the Assisted Opening), note the similarity. Smile


for the Harnds Viper 6015 and included any of the Enlan/Bee EL-01’s and included a SanRenMu 710/7010 of some kind. Just personal choice.
Don’t be surprised if the 6261 comes badged as a Land, it was the higher end SanRenMu at one time. it has the best, along with the 763/7063, Axis style locks to come out of China, smooth and not too strong Ω springs. M024A. :bigsmile:
Great start and a decent collection as it stands.

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I had hoped that you’d make it onto this thread!!!

[For you readers, 8steve88 was and is a vital contributor to “Medford Praetorian Clone….” at http://budgetlightforum.com/node/30311. Again, your time in reading that thread is invaluable!]

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I have looked at it. Seems to be a woderfully proportioned longer blade (90mm/3.54”) which are under-represented in my overall knife collection. Most of mine are ~ 3”.

However, I am a bit hesitant with “rocker” studs. I have a CRKT Lerch Enticer (1060) which is knock-out beautiful. BUT the “rocker” stud is awkward to manipulate, is precariously attached by a very tiny screw and rubs my thumb to irritation when I fail to accomplish the flip. As of now, I much prefer flipper and stud mechanisms for opening.

[Above is my first feeble attempt to post pictures on BLF. Any recommendations?

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Does anyone know of a “budget” version of this:
http://www.benchmade.com/products/9500
knife?

It’s not exactly cheap. I have one (thanks Air Force!), but I’d like to have an automatic switchblade that didn’t cost so much so I wouldn’t worry about breaking/losing it.

I don’t really want an “assisted” open knife, and I figured I could use being on active duty to get around restrictions on buying a switchblade.

Failing that, a good folder that can be opened easily by flicking it open would be great.

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You might start by looking at the Kershaw or CRKT lines.  For those, "budget" is $25 - $80.  I have representative samples of both lines, both assisted and unassisted.  Your choices of blade shapes, handle metals, scales and blade steel types.  My opinion:  You won't regret a Kershaw or CRKT for the money.  My first Kershaw was a OSO Sweet (designed by Ken Onion), an assisted opener, 3.13" blade, and a cost of ~ $25.  I now give them as gifts!

As for Sanrenmu, Enlan, etc., I defer to others on this thread for recommendations.

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I have looked at it. Seems to be a woderfully proportioned longer blade (90mm/3.54”) which are under-represented in my overall knife collection. Most of mine are ~ 3”.

However, I am a bit hesitant with “rocker” studs. I have a CRKT Lerch Enticer (1060) which is knock-out beautiful. BUT the “rocker” stud is awkward to manipulate, is precariously attached by a very tiny screw and rubs my thumb to irritation when I fail to accomplish the flip. As of now, I much prefer flipper and stud mechanisms for opening.

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/TheBurghGuy/crkt-lerch-enticer-...

I know what you mean, I didn’t like the thumb discs at all when I first used thgem, now I look at them like a thumb stud that’s mounted high, at least the scales don’t obscure them, usually.
You could always take the disc off and mount an aftermarket stud.
USAKnifemaker stocks them
And you could fit it into the gap left by the thumb disc.
CRKT are an interesting company, lots of collaborations with top makers means more people can sample their work at a reasonable cost.

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keithd wrote:
Does anyone know of a “budget” version of this:
http://www.benchmade.com/products/9500
knife?

It’s not exactly cheap. I have one (thanks Air Force!), but I’d like to have an automatic switchblade that didn’t cost so much so I wouldn’t worry about breaking/losing it.

I don’t really want an “assisted” open knife, and I figured I could use being on active duty to get around restrictions on buying a switchblade.

Failing that, a good folder that can be opened easily by flicking it open would be great.

The only one I can think of at the moment that looks remotely like it is the Ganzo G702 not an auto or assisted or even a flipper.
The Ganzo G719-B is an auto though, available in black or green.

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The only one I can think of at the moment that looks remotely like it is the Ganzo G702 not an auto or assisted or even a flipper. The Ganzo G719-B is an auto though, available in black or green.

Nice! Thank you!

That G719-B is what I was talking about – I didn’t really mean a duplicate of the Benchmade, but just a budget automatic.

I had a knife in my teenage years that was fairly hefty in the blade section, and you could open it with just a flick of the wrist. Most of the cheap ones that I’ve held have too much friction and/or the blade’s too light to try that.

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No problem. Smile
There’s this out the front automatic as well but a bit more expensive.
Forgot to say, FastTech are taking a break for Chinese New Year – Details. They won’t be working normally, I buy most of my knives from China so I ordered a few while they were still shipping.
I’ve just ordered a SanRenMu 7010 blackwashed from a Netherlands shop Knives and Tools/edenwebshops- cost £17 – $26 but it’s branded Eden Web Shop, different.

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I’m interested in the models that have been tried and are of high quality and have been verified to have the steel listed . Also the stores that have good reviews. Put that all in the first post.

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I’m interested in the models that have been tried and are of high quality and have been verified to have the steel listed . Also the stores that have good reviews. Put that all in the first post.

Any Enlan EL-01, Harnds Viper and Blazer, Ganzo G720, probably the best made Ganzo yet. Any SanRenMu that you like the look of. Navy, I don’t have any.
FastTech is my first choice for the lowest prices on most knives. I recommend them a lot but I have no link to them other than a satisfied customer.
All the stores I have dealtwith on AliExpress have been very good even when things go wrong. – Money back with no quibble when a knife went astray.
I’ve bought from Run On Rock before with no problems, good email – replies quickly.
Exduct used to be good but his prices have gone up and his attitude to customers down. Still has some hard to find knives but he knows it and bumps his prices up.
If you are in the U.S.A. then Amazon and Ebay but they don’t sell knives in the U.K. The exception is if the knives ship from China and the vendor will sell off Amazon.

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Morakniv Companion.  Not much to look at, but that is one effective tool.  High carbon steel that can be razor sharp and stay sharp longer than stainless steal, great grippy handle, and in a very handy size.  All for $10 to $15.  Blade is not black normally.  The blade below was force tarnished.

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... and, for fixed blades, Condor (specifically Bushlore 4.375" Drop Point Blade - buy it for the sheath!!!)

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Does anyone know of a folder that can be opened with a flick of the wrist?

I don’t care if the length is legal, just if the blade is heavy enough and the friction low enough. The assisted blades I’ve seen can’t do it.

Don’t want fixed as I’ll probably put an eye out! Wink

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A couple of assisted openers you might want to look at, the Kershaw Chive – small but very quick opening and the Ganzo G620 – I have six of them (one in each style) and only one wouldn’t open by the spring, a strip and clean had it opening as normal.

Enlan EL-01 flipper, with a flick of the wrist opens fine, EL-04MCT I can open by the weight of the blade, it didn’t come like that, a clean and omega spring adjustment, it surprised me how quick it could open.

If the friction is too high then adjust the pivot and give it a few drops of oil, stripping and cleaning makes a big difference, more so if you take the time to flatten the washers, the scales and blade where they bear with wet/dry. The pivot can usually be got to a sweet spot where it’s free but without blade play.

Make sure the spring is free to move without binding on scales or liners, some manufacturers put too much grease in with the spring and it gets sticky.

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Then there's this thread ...

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If you are looking for an assisted blade, the Kershaw Speed Bump 1595G10 is very tough to beat. It will open flipper only or wrist only. It was USA made with Sandvik steel (this is my preferred version and I still carry one years later) blades but is now made in China with a blade made of 8cr13mov and it’s still under $30 delivered.

The best big budget folders that I own are the Lansky Responder, Boker Uolcos and Spyderco Resilience . All are 4 inches or more. All will open with just a flick.

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I guess budget knife is a relative term. I am far enough along my knife collector journey to have it really bad for the designs of Hinderers, Striders, Medfords as well as the art of custom handle work in the likes of TuffThumbz.

Way too much time spent on Usual Suspects Network forum I suppose.

But at this stage I am not about to drop $500-1200 on a custom knife. So to me, a really well done $75-120 Chinese manufactured Kevin John is a budget knife if it delivers a near experience or close performance.

With that said, I would recommend folks take a look at the earlier designed faux Strider SMF double gunner grip to get that custom feel. Like the Praetorian,..it just feels like quality when you hold it, solid lock up, holds an edge well…and has that nice snap when you open it.

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I am a big fan of the Kershaw Cryo II, but you will need to check your local laws for spring assited opening knives

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Many years ago when I hunted a variety of big game in the US and Alaska I would read about a custom knife that would gut, and skin multiple big game animals without sharpening and still shave the hairs on your arm. I bought knives that claimed that and some factory knives that the writers touted, but never found a knife that would do as claimed.
Finally after spending a fair amount money, for the 60’s and 70’s I decided that the best course of action for me was to get knives that would hold an edge about as well as the rest, and carry a small 6 inch steel in my back pack to touch it up. Accordingly, I settled on a two bladed Camillus M 26 folding hunter.
After field dressing and skinning many deer, antelope, a couple of moose, and elk, sheep, goats and a couple of bears, I never looked back. It is on my shelf with a lot of other knives, but if I were to go on a big game hunt anywhere for anything that is the knife I would be carrying.

I have a good friend who used to make knives. He made them from commercial saw blades. He would not charge for them, and did not finish the blades, but left them black like the saw blades. He had letters for friends for whom he had made some who reported several big game animals processed in the field and that the knives would still shave. He made me several, and I would not part with them. If I mentioned a type of knife I wanted, just in passing, he showed up in time with such a knife and beautiful sheaths. I like sheaths that cover almost the complete knife, and snap. BUT, I did not find that they did not need touching up in the field, although they held their edges as well as any other knife.

So if one likes knives, and I do, then go for what suits you, but I will only believe the “don’t need sharpening” hype when I see it.

Several years ago, when the Sanrenmu knives began to be imported I bought a couple of their 710’s. One of the knife forums had mods and members who thought it was blasphemy to buy them since they were a copy of Chris Reeve’s knives. It mattered not that I was not going to buy a several hundred dollar knife in any case, they just almost banned me from the forum. None of that bothered me, and I like some of the Sanrenmu knives. Smile I have also found the Rough Rider pocket knives to be fine for me. I carry a small canoe knife along with my AAA edc light in my pocket and find it useful.

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When I use to help dad skin deer, we used custom rock blade knives. The knives were sharp for skinning but would not pierce the hide.

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I really appreciated your back-story.  Wish we saw more of that storytelling here and all the various forums.

You wrote:  "Several years ago, when the Sanrenmu knives began to be imported I bought a couple of their 710’s. One of the knife forums had mods and members who thought it was blasphemy to buy them since they were a copy of Chris Reeve’s knives. It mattered not that I was not going to buy a several hundred dollar knife in any case, they just almost banned me from the forum. None of that bothered me, and I like some of the Sanrenmu knives."

My Dad spent 43 years working in the same 3'-square space as a machinist with Bethlehem Steel (not counting his service on a PT boat in the Pacific theater of WW II.)  For him, then me, any tool (used at work, used at home, used for recreation - guns, knives, ball gloves, etc.) was an ultra-valuable item.  It should be researched, recommended, spot-on for the task expected of it, used carefully and only for its intended purpose, cleaned, maintained and stored well.  I am holding a razor-sharp, perfectly functional, gorgeous folding hunting knife, my Dad's, acquired in the 1930s.

Seems to me that I can employ the above "tool philosophy" without regard to country of origin (as I did when I bought my 1986 Acura Legend and then 5 more).  I also respect the rights of others to incorporate subjective criteria (protectionism, intellectual property in clones, absolute skepticism about product claims, etc.) into their purchasing decisions.  However, if they do so in discussions - namely, forums and blogs - about the "tools" themselves, and especially if they use innuendo, non-facts, misrepresentations, snobbery or other childish behavior, then I either leave that forum/discussion (I have entirely abandoned a particular flashlight forum) or attempt to reinvigorate the discussion back to the "tools."  I have grown weary and intolerant of professional discussion derailers.

Back to storytelling in this thread...  I for one would like to read about your history with budget knives!

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Thanks, TB. I don’t have all that much to tell. It is important, however, as you well know to take good care of tools. I recall on a hunt for Dall Sheep in Alaska, I was stationed there from 1960 – 1964, a friend and I were together, and he killed a ram. Somehow he had lost his knife???? He borrowed mine. I always sharpened my knives so that I could take an individual hair on the back of my hand and snip it without pressure or moisture on it. My friend cleaned and caped his sheep, and when he paused he took my knife and thrust it blade first into the ground. Imagine all the small stones, dirt, etc. that the blade encountered. I saw a “little red” and took my knife away from him. I also had a pocket knife of the type issued, and with several tools like a SAK. I gave it to him, and before he was through he had loosened the blade on that one. He sure was was tough on knives. Smile

He remains still one of my best friends, and although we live from S NM to Va apart, we talk and compare notes often. BUT he never borrowed one of my hunting knives again.:(

Jerry

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I'm not buying anything good until my kids quit borrowing stuff .

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This copy of the beautiful Microtech Whaleshark just might be my next purchase.

Just love the design, carbon fiber handles, big swedge and sweep on the blade, flipper.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Microtech-Marfione-Custom-Knife-...

Wish it had a deeper pocket clip…and I think i would have to flame treat the blue back spacer…but all else seems perfect.

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Wow, KS, that is a gorgeous knife!  Do it!

I wish you folks who provide pictures or links of stunning knives available only at AliExpress have some compassion for those few of us who can't receive anything from any of their stores.  My home State has no escrow services for AE.

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keithd wrote:
Does anyone know of a folder that can be opened with a flick of the wrist?

I don’t care if the length is legal, just if the blade is heavy enough and the friction low enough. The assisted blades I’ve seen can’t do it.

Don’t want fixed as I’ll probably put an eye out! Wink

Any of the larger Cold Steel knives can be inertia opened, the Voyager XL Tanto having a thicker and slightly heavier blade than its flat ground siblings is very good. Spyderco knives are popular for the Spydy drop, hold the blade and snap the handle out which can also be done on the Buck 110.

As a rule of thumb, a 4” blade with a liner or frame lock should have enough blade mass compared to retention strength to inertia open.

You might be able to do it with a Timber Rattler Scarab.

That’s an 8 and a bit inch long blade. Made in Pakistan so probably a no name stainless, the pivot is a bit too small for the blade size, and I don’t think it has much of a heat treatment, but for Crocodile Dundee’s pocket knife it’s mercifully cheap at about $15-$25 plus postage.

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^ Now that's a knife.  Thanks for sharing.  Something about the picture gives me a sensation of motion.  Maybe the crazy proportions and the reflections of the venetian blinds on the table.

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