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More folding knives with no bolsters. Does anyone have data on the torque the pivots can stand? The one with metal supporting the pivot looks uncomfortable to hold.

Typically I think the lock would fail before the liners, except on an Axis lock where I reckon the liners would fail first.
You would be talking way more force than you could exert by hand on a well made knife like the Enlan EL-01.

The pivot pin on most Chinese knives is ¼” O.D. for the larger knives and 3/16ths for smaller, you won’t break or shear that with normal use. If you are in doubt then use a fixed blade. I carry a slip joint every day and feel safe enough with that, you might snap a blade at a weak spot, typically the pivot but you would have to be putting great force sideways on to the blade to do that, not really a knifey task you’d doing. I suppose it depends weather you use your knives for cutting or as a general purpose pry bar or screwdriver, not having a go – just saying that obviously anything can break if it’s not used for the intended use.

I recently bought a Hultafors Chisel knife that would take a lot of abuse before breaking, it sits in my toolbag alongside a Hultafors Heavy Duty knife, both with high carbon Japanese steel and stropped before leaving the factory. £12.90 ($19) for the pair.


Someone who was re-handling his Hultafosr Heavy duty with Curly Birch took this picture, although not full tang it’s tough enough. For £5.95 you get a carbon steel blade ready finished, very good value and probably the best quality/money balance that you are going to get. You could do the same with a Mora and ~I’m sure many have.


Strangely the Chisel knife doesn’t have a chisel grind.
Heavy duty 4” blade ⅛” thick
Chisel knife 3” blade ⅛” thick
Ideal if you want to apply high torque with a knife.

I think these two Spydercos would be strong in the pivot area.

These are more budget priced and would be plenty strong enough.


Even the G10 bolstered one would be strong enough, anyone who’s tried to break a 6mm piece of G10 will tell you how tough it is.

Don’t know where this is going but if you buy a known brand or even a lesser known one like the Y-Start knives then they are going to be strong enough for normal use.

I’ve deliberately left Frame locks until last as they are only as strong as the cut out that lets you unlock the knife and the metal that’s left there can be worryingly thin.
I’m not knocking the SanRenMu 710/7010 in fact as they go it’s a great little knife and I own a lot of them, about ten and a couple more are on the way but this pic shows how thin a framelock can get and why I wouldn’t get worried about frame locks or bolsters.


Compared to the liners on this linerlock Enlan you can see there’s enough in the thickness of the liners to give a very strong knife, no bolsters needed.

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The stronger the better. Since a folding knife is usually your only tool at hand, the more things it can do the better. So the question isn’t “Is it strong enough?” It is “Is it as strong as it can be without significant loss elsewhere?”
I was surprised how quickly I got a very sharp edge on my Hultafors. Thanks for your previous post about them. I may get another some time to re-handle. I have some teak wood left over from fixing my son’s kris that I could use either for that or for the Eye brand Sheffield table knives.
I like those Spydercos a lot, but have enough knives for now.

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
这些谁设计的手电筒应该看灯塔,以及在陶器。

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When I began this thread, I knew that (for me) the definition of "budget knives" is ever evolving.  As I spend more time looking into the universe of knives, the $$$ ceiling for "budget" gradually rises like an elevator to infinity!

I'm now fishing the ocean of "low cost" custom fixed blade knives.  I suspect that the simpler mechanics/parts/assembly of fixed blades may put more of my money into the knife itself.  Also, these knifemakers seem to be, well, more artistic.

Here's a sample of one I landed this week:

Yep, gorgeous damascus and Boxed Elder Burl wood (dyed purple/eggplant).  Sheath is custom grey leather.

Think I'll be fishin' in these here waters for a spell!

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Two big knives, one small knife.

Timber Rattler Scarab
Cold Steel Espada XL G10
Victorinox Minichamp Midnite

Needless to say, the Victorinox is the one I carry everyday.

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I got my Sanrenmu 6029LUC-G. Wonderful quality but I hope the styles turn more to my taste.
The last thing in the “Instruction” is “Note All knives sold in mainland China do not have a lock, since they are not subject to the carrying ban-law.” I think I read someone in Britain refer to a law that favored locking knives, though I can think of no good reason for such a distinction. Perhaps Hong Kong also has such a law left from British administration.
More interesting, they sell all non-locking knives in China and one sees mostly locking knives in the US, so locking is a matter of style and popular taste rather than an agreed upon advantage. And that might be part of why liner locks are more popular relative to back locks than they used to be. It is probably easier to have both locking and non-locking versions of a model if it is a liner lock than if it is a back lock that requires a different spring configuration. Also, the lack of a metal bolster would not matter as much without a liner lock, which weakens the liner rather than weakening the blade as back locks do. (Admittedly, the fiber glass handle makes up for some of this.) So the bolster-less style may originate in the Chinese market more than in those where locking knives are preferred.

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
这些谁设计的手电筒应该看灯塔,以及在陶器。

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I got my Sanrenmu 6029LUC-G. Wonderful quality but I hope the styles turn more to my taste. The last thing in the “Instruction” is “Note All knives sold in mainland China do not have a lock, since they are not subject to the carrying ban-law.” I think I read someone in Britain refer to a law that favored locking knives, though I can think of no good reason for such a distinction. Perhaps Hong Kong also has such a law left from British administration. More interesting, they sell all non-locking knives in China and one sees mostly locking knives in the US, so locking is a matter of style and popular taste rather than an agreed upon advantage. And that might be part of why liner locks are more popular relative to back locks than they used to be. It is probably easier to have both locking and non-locking versions of a model if it is a liner lock than if it is a back lock that requires a different spring configuration. Also, the lack of a metal bolster would not matter as much without a liner lock, which weakens the liner rather than weakening the blade as back locks do. (Admittedly, the fiber glass handle makes up for some of this.) So the bolster-less style may originate in the Chinese market more than in those where locking knives are preferred.

Not entirely true as far as there not being agreed upon advantages. Some locks are stronger, some easier to manipulate one handed, some only work with one hand (lefty or righty), some are cheaper, some will self adjust with wear. There’s a lot that goes into a good blade lock.

Made from the right materials, I prefer a frame lock. Next for me is the axis style lock, then liner, then lockback. In a general sort of way that ends up being in order of long term lockup stability (not necessarily strength, I avoid using folders hard enough to damage the locks from prying, banging, etc), but implementation matters and some companies get it right and some don’t.

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Hi, anyone knows where i can buy knife washers?
i think the ones in my Navy k607 need replacing.

the knife doesn’t open smoothly, so i took it apart to find out why.
turns out the inner circle of the washers is very rough.
it kinda looks like this.
it’s not my pic. i found it by googling. but my washers look just like that.
i tried to smooth out the edge with a screw driver and put the washers back and lube it of course. it did make the opening a little smoother but still not as smooth as i hope.
so i think the washers have to be replaced. I tried searching aliexpress and did not find any.

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There are lots of places online. Do a Google search for knife parts and you should turn up a few stores. I’d recommend phosphor bronze.

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This link for  washers was posted earlier.  Hope they are proper sizing for your Navy.

 

http://www.lazylizardgear.com/store/c13/Washers_%2526_Parts.html

 

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Hi, anyone knows where i can buy knife washers? i think the ones in my Navy k607 need replacing. the knife doesn't open smoothly, so i took it apart to find out why. turns out the inner circle of the washers is very rough. it kinda looks like "this":http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l398/daproparts/IMG_0009-1.jpg. it's not my pic. i found it by googling. but my washers look just like that. i tried to smooth out the edge with a screw driver and put the washers back and lube it of course. it did make the opening a little smoother but still not as smooth as i hope. so i think the washers have to be replaced. I tried searching aliexpress and did not find any.
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wow, the international shipping is really expensive. ( i am in canada). thanks anyway.

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If someone find a good shop for international shipping (for example on aliexpress), please post it.

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I wonder if normal bronze washers in big box stores and such contain phosphorous like alloy 544 phosphor bronze.  It's widely accepted that phosphorous increases the wear resistance and stiffness.  So maybe it's already in most common bronze washers.  I don't know this.  Just wondering.

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ImA4Wheelr wrote:

I wonder if normal bronze washers in big box stores and such contain phosphorous like alloy 544 phosphor bronze.  It’s widely accepted that phosphorous increases the wear resistance and stiffness.  So maybe it’s already in most common bronze washers.  I don’t know this.  Just wondering.

You’ll spend half your life lapping the washers to finally get a pair of them thinned out to the correct thickness and parallel out of bronze hardware store washers(this is critical if you want them to not be a huge disappointment). Order some of the real deal online and be patient and you’ll end up spending far less of your life frustrated.

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Introducing "Bush Hawg":

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Prometheus wrote:
wow, the international shipping is really expensive. ( i am in canada). thanks anyway.

email Lazy Lizard, he only charged me $7 for postage on 3 sets of pivot screws and washers. He’s great to do business with.
If you have a digital micrometer measure the thickness of the washers you have and the inside and outside diameters.
As a comparison try USA Knifemaker
Be sat down when you get the post and packing cost, $23 for thirty or forty washers to the U.K., the postage was way overpriced but they insisted on shipping them in a box instead of a padded bag that would go at letter rate, I emailed USPS about it.

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Introducing Bush Hawg src=“http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/TheBurghGuy/Bush20Hawg_zps51hmn... width=“626” height=“582”>

Shouldn’t that be “The Burgh Burl”? Love that handle – with the Damascus as well, stunning

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If someone find a good shop for international shipping (for example on aliexpress), please post it.


The problem with that is trying to explain phosphor bronze to the seller, all the washers I’ve seen for sale in the Chinese stores that have been described as phosphor bronze are brass.
I’m constantly trying to find more inexpensive sources but it seems that they are rarely used now that things aren’t made to be repaired or serviced, just new assembly fitted.
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I got my Sanrenmu 6029LUC-G. Wonderful quality but I hope the styles turn more to my taste. The last thing in the “Instruction” is “Note All knives sold in mainland China do not have a lock, since they are not subject to the carrying ban-law.” I think I read someone in Britain refer to a law that favored locking knives, though I can think of no good reason for such a distinction. Perhaps Hong Kong also has such a law left from British administration. More interesting, they sell all non-locking knives in China and one sees mostly locking knives in the US, so locking is a matter of style and popular taste rather than an agreed upon advantage. And that might be part of why liner locks are more popular relative to back locks than they used to be. It is probably easier to have both locking and non-locking versions of a model if it is a liner lock than if it is a back lock that requires a different spring configuration. Also, the lack of a metal bolster would not matter as much without a liner lock, which weakens the liner rather than weakening the blade as back locks do. (Admittedly, the fiber glass handle makes up for some of this.) So the bolster-less style may originate in the Chinese market more than in those where locking knives are preferred.

Not entirely true as far as there not being agreed upon advantages. Some locks are stronger, some easier to manipulate one handed, some only work with one hand (lefty or righty), some are cheaper, some will self adjust with wear. There’s a lot that goes into a good blade lock.

Made from the right materials, I prefer a frame lock. Next for me is the axis style lock, then liner, then lockback. In a general sort of way that ends up being in order of long term lockup stability (not necessarily strength, I avoid using folders hard enough to damage the locks from prying, banging, etc), but implementation matters and some companies get it right and some don’t.


I mean, if the Chinese, who have been using knives since paleolithic times just as we have, don’t want their knives to lock, then there is not agreement on the utility of locking. Thanks for the details.

Flashlight designers should look at lighthouses and pottery.
这些谁设计的手电筒应该看灯塔,以及在陶器。

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i have ordered a few things from the lazy lizard, great guy to do business with.

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[/quote]I mean, if the Chinese, who have been using knives since paleolithic times just as we have, don’t want their knives to lock, then there is not agreement on the utility of locking. Thanks for the details.[/quote]

Most knife laws are products of fear or crime. It’s hard to imagine that they ban locks because knives work better without them.

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I saw that one and nearly snagged it. I’m waiting for the new Scrapyard offering before I commit to another knife.

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Introducing Bush Hawg src=“http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/TheBurghGuy/Bush20Hawg_zps51hmn... width=“626” height=“582”>

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Like the curves and heel knob.  Notice the handle:  Single piece, not scales.  Steel in 52100 is a bonus.

 

 

Now, to find the "perfect" sheath!!!

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anyone have experience with this land?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-SanRenMU-brand-LAND-GB908-Model-440c-blade-G10-handle-tactical-folding-knife-outdoor-camping/32306684378.html

also this Small Rue Worker
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Small-Rue-Workers-TOPS-Knife-178mm-Overall-Length-linen-Micarta-handle-Camping-Knives-Outdoor-Survival-Knife/32306011044.html

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Wow, that sure is a "looker."  Appears sturdy too!

Great find, downlinx!

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anyone have experience with this land? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-SanRenMU-brand-LAND-GB908-M... !http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/32306684378_1/Free-Shipping-SanRenMU-...!

I don't think, that it is a genuine LAND (is and old brand of Sanrenmu) and I haven't seen a genuine for a few years.
Here is an older thread about the LAND.

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downlinx wrote:
anyone have experience with this land? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-SanRenMU-brand-LAND-GB908-Model-440c-blade-G10-handle-tactical-folding-knife-outdoor-camping/32306684378.html

I don’t think, that it is a genuine LAND (is and old brand of Sanrenmu) and I haven’t seen a genuine for a few years.
Here is an older thread about the LAND.

thank you, i knew something was off.

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Love that Small Rue Worker, must have.
The Land not so much. SanRenMu used to market their top of the range models as Land.
I have this one it uses the SRM 763 “chassis” and has a really sweet Axis lock action.
There have been rumours of fake Land knives being made but at that price you can’t go wrong really.
If you like the look of it go for it.

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8steve88 wrote:
Love that Small Rue Worker, must have.
The Land not so much. SanRenMu used to market their top of the range models as Land.
I have this one it uses the SRM 763 “chassis” and has a really sweet Axis lock action.
There have been rumours of fake Land knives being made but at that price you can’t go wrong really.
If you like the look of it go for it.

it wasn’t that i wanted, thought it was off that it stated land

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Here are three imports from China. Copies of the Hungarian and the Vallotton, and the Elk River fixed blade mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

The Elk River is a beautiful little knife, very shiny. The sheath is… adequate.

The Vallotton is very well made and solid, if I could ping it on one thing the blade would be better running on bronze washers than the nylon/teflon ones it has. The etching on the blade was a little shaky, but that’s about it.

The Hungarian is… I think perfect about sums it up. It feels good in my hand, it came very sharp, and the full flat grind would make it one heck of a slicer. It does have bronze washers and it opens as smooth as glass. It has me contemplating the affordability of the original, it’s that good. The polished G10 feels much better in hand than the bi-directional FRN on my Endura.

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