New XP-L High Intensity Emitter

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DavidEF wrote:
Now, if you want to send me the twenty domed and give me a couple days to de-dome and send ten back to you, I’d be happy to do that for you! Silly

But where’s fun in that Silly

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I’d buy That for dollar! Heck, I’d buy a double handful of em at a dollar apiece! Smile

Seriously though, I’m in the line to get some as soon as they become available Richard, count on it.

+1000!

Just to clarify, shrick wants 2 full reels :bigsmile: (1 reel is 500 pcs)

 

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Sirius9 wrote:
DavidEF wrote:
Now, if you want to send me the twenty domed and give me a couple days to de-dome and send ten back to you, I’d be happy to do that for you! Silly

But where’s fun in that Silly

shrick wrote:
DBCstm wrote:
I’d buy That for dollar! Heck, I’d buy a double handful of em at a dollar apiece! Smile

Seriously though, I’m in the line to get some as soon as they become available Richard, count on it.

+1000!

Just to clarify, shrick wants 2 full reels :bigsmile: (1 reel is 500 pcs)

Double Handful x (+1000) = 10 × 1000 = 10 000!! I’ll take 20 reels then!! Yikes, I’m clearly having a hard time with Lumen-Sickness Smile

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If these can go under unmodified triple optics, and if they come in a 3D tint, I’ll be wanting a bunch of them. Smile

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cajampa wrote:
With for example fatter or extra bondwires to share the load, i suspect we can drive these led's even harder but we are limited by the bond wires that burn up much sooner that needed.

Sort of like SBT-70 with lots of bond wires, something tells me that such emitter would be more expensive due to being able to take more current.

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Great news! Now some mods have to be postponed for a while. I hope for the XP-G2 version too

Yes, but maybe this flat dome XPL is a good choice for a Uniquefire shorty Aespheric? :bigsmile: Wink

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Great news! Now some mods have to be postponed for a while. I hope for the XP-G2 version too
Yes, but maybe this flat dome XPL is a good choice for a Uniquefire shorty Aespheric? :bigsmile: Wink Cheers Nico

yep, that is one them Smile

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I hope for the XP-G2 version too

It will be the XB-H High Intensity. Forget the old generation. http://www.cree.com/led-components-and-modules/products/xlamp/discrete-d...

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This is great news. Such a good time saver and don’t need to be soo concerned about damaging a bond wire anymore.

I am with ToyKeeper. This in a 3D tint will be awesome.

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Tom E wrote:

It looks like the widened optics would still be needed for the XP-L high intensity ones. The highest bin listed is a V2 – a straight droppage of 3 bins which could match the results we’ve seen de-doming.

You are right about max flux bin V2, i messed up when i checked the pdf before, i saw a CW V5 high density and thought i was looking at the High Intensity ones.

But isn’t it strange that the High Density ones according to cree only goes to V5? Is the High Density ones different than the old XP-L, I though High Density meant with the dome like the old ones :~

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Omega_17 wrote:
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I hope for the XP-G2 version too

It will be the XB-H High Intensity. Forget the old generation. http://www.cree.com/led-components-and-modules/products/xlamp/discrete-d...

I hope not the XB-H looks at least according to Cree’s data cheats to have lower output than the XP-G2, and that is not even counting the newly released S4 flux bin.

XB-H
XP-G2

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Any chance of the meteor to be sold with the new XP-L? Or Is it possible to order it with a blank, separated mcp? This is shocking news and I will have to re-mod at least 15 lights including A couple XP-L triples with modified carclos…

I wonder how many flashlight modding projects were suddenly paused and postponed with this announcement? 3 for myself…

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I feel the same way. Now I just need to order a Meteor 43 and 12 of these new domeless XP-L!


Let's make an educated calculation.

XP-L V6 @ 50Celsius, @ 2A does 874lm (CREE PTC used for values), now cut 11% loses in the new XP-L HI = 777lm
777*12LEDs = 9324lm, now losses in optics and glass -12% = 8205lm.
Losses in optics and glass can be higher of course, I chose 10% for Carclo 10507 and 2% for the glass.

What we don't think about it is that if the Vf is higher than results can't be better at minutes later, a very important aspect totally ignored, when it is proved that it is not higher well then it can be ignored, we know that what CREE specifies for the Vf is often not what is found in reality.
There is no gains over dedomed regular XP-L (either lumens or candela) , just makes the tint good.
That is if it fits under the Carclo optics.
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Hikelite wrote:

Firelight2 wrote:
I feel the same way. Now I just need to order a Meteor 43 and 12 of these new domeless XP-L!


Let’s make an educated calculation.

XP-L V6 50Celsius, 2A does 874lm (CREE PTC used for values), now cut 11% loses in the new XP-L HI = 777lm
777*12LEDs = 9324lm, now losses in optics and glass -12% = 8205lm.
Losses in optics and glass can be higher of course, I chose 10% for Carclo 10507 and 2% for the glass.

What we don’t think about it is that if the Vf is higher than results can’t be better at minutes later, a very important aspect totally ignored, when it is proved that it is not higher well then it can be ignored, we know that what CREE specifies for the Vf is often not what is found in reality.
There is no gains over dedomed regular XP-L (either lumens or candela) , just makes the tint good.
That is if it fits under the Carclo optics.

why you ruining our party? Party Party Party

I’m joking of course. but seriously, I want to see if it fits under Carclo optics. that’s the question.

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When they’ll be available? OR when ,where to get them?

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I’m kind of into aesthetics, like, I LOVE the way the SBT-70 looks.

That said, I might have to put 12 of these in my new Meteor and leave the optics off. A 12 XP-L High Performance Mule! Smile Oh YEAH! Bring it! Did you say 3D tint? Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight! WooHoo!

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seasam wrote:
Hikelite wrote:

Firelight2 wrote:
I feel the same way. Now I just need to order a Meteor 43 and 12 of these new domeless XP-L!


Let’s make an educated calculation.

XP-L V6 50Celsius, 2A does 874lm (CREE PTC used for values), now cut 11% loses in the new XP-L HI = 777lm
777*12LEDs = 9324lm, now losses in optics and glass -12% = 8205lm.
Losses in optics and glass can be higher of course, I chose 10% for Carclo 10507 and 2% for the glass.

What we don’t think about it is that if the Vf is higher than results can’t be better at minutes later, a very important aspect totally ignored, when it is proved that it is not higher well then it can be ignored, we know that what CREE specifies for the Vf is often not what is found in reality.
There is no gains over dedomed regular XP-L (either lumens or candela) , just makes the tint good.
That is if it fits under the Carclo optics.

why you ruining our party? Party Party Party

I’m joking of course. but seriously, I want to see if it fits under Carclo optics. that’s the question.

Even if it doesn’t fit, perhaps we can make it fit by carving off the sides of the cover with an x-acto knife.

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this changes everything

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Cree reels are generally 1000.

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It looks to me like the Carclo optics will fit over these, barely. Normall when de-doming there is a small gap between the die and the very bottom of the optic, this will be taken up by that .35mm difference in height

borrowing here from the pic previously posted, the height difference is going to be very close, it might be quite feasible to lightly sand the narrow end of the optic to sit at but not press into the covering over the die. Effective creating a seal? This might actually work very well, can’t wait to try it out. Smile

In the meantime, I might try slicing the dome off an XP-L like I’ve done recently with the XHP-50 and see how that looks/works/fits.

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chesterqw wrote:
this changes everything

again

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Could I ask this; could this XPL be in a cool white tint?
Would it be brighter than a sinner triple nichia 1000 lumen?.
Thanks.

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Sirius9 wrote:
Damn, I just recently ordered regular XPLs :|

And they should still be better performers than this new if you do clean dedome, only no tint shift with new one?

Some modders did find the way to change emitter tint after dedoming.

But of course we all want to try new stuffCool

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The good news is, they work! These will fit under the 10507 optics on a Noctigon triple star.

I used a 1mm thick stainless steel washer to control the depth of cut and a scalpel to do the deed, shaved the domes off 3 XP-L V5 1A emitters on a copper star. Then I removed the emitter and re-flowed them onto the triple Noctigon, placing the stack of copper 20mm SinkPADs on top of the 3 shaved emitters to ensure they were seated low and not held up with solder.

The optics fit on perfectly! And the 1A tint is still showing, a slightly blue/white output on the white styrofoam ceiling tiles in our house. Excellent!

The bad news is, I don’t have funds to buy a full reel of these. Sad lol

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Prometheus_Lights_DY wrote:
Could I ask this; could this XPL be in a cool white tint?
Would it be brighter than a sinner triple nichia 1000 lumen?.
Thanks.

Are you asking whether a single XP-L will be brighter than a triple Nichia? Or triple vs triple?
The short answer is that any XP-L will easily outperform a Nichia, and a single XP-L is capable of way more than 1000 lumens. The Nichia has the advantage of better CRI though.

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Thanks so would a triple XPL dedomed in a sinner 18650 copper host be good or a triple nichia in your opinion?.
Wondering if these XPL are available in cool white too.
Looking for intensity I guess.
Is one XPL enough or 3 in that host?.
Thanks.

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Prometheus_Lights_DY wrote:
Could I ask this; could this XPL be in a cool white tint? Would it be brighter than a sinner triple nichia 1000 lumen?. Thanks.
Are you asking whether a single XP-L will be brighter than a triple Nichia? Or triple vs triple? The short answer is that any XP-L will easily outperform a Nichia, and a single XP-L is capable of way more than 1000 lumens. The Nichia has the advantage of better CRI though.

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People have gotten 4000+ lumens from triple XP-L set-ups. It’s up to you how hot you want to run it.

Yes, current XP-L’s as well as these new versions are/will be available in all the usual tint ranges including cool white.

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The only real answer there is triple XP-L , shaved, under 10507 optics.

I just found that using a 1mm thick washer as a guide, with an XP-L mounted on a 20mm star to hold the emitter and be a base for the washer, I managed to shave the dome off clean with a scalpel. These fit under the optic without altering the optic and don’t seem to have lost tint. So the triple XP-L will do some 3000 lumens and be as intense as you could hope for. Wink

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This is awesome news!

I am seriously interested to see how the tint bins will shake down. Whether these will be available in different groupings (all greener perhaps? bringing back the 2S 2T bins…eek! :P) or if the thin dome interface layer allows them to use the exact same phosphor process and yield the same tint spread as fully dome leds which would be awesome!

Of course hoping for the best case scenario where extra effort goes into producing great tints hard to achieve by diy dedoming today AND a lack of tint shift across the emission angle because of no dome. Bye bye cree rainbow?! Fingers very crossed 8)

Also great to finally see some hard datasheet facts on the difference between a domed and (at least a partially) dedomed emitter. The output bin differences are already interesting but I like the direct comparison for the emission intensity profile of a dedomed emitter vs that of a domed XPL.

Great stuff Cree!

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So, what happens if you drop one on the carpet Silly

 

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DBCstm wrote:
I’m kind of into aesthetics, like, I LOVE the way the SBT-70 looks.

That said, I might have to put 12 of these in my new Meteor and leave the optics off. A 12 XP-L High Performance Mule! Smile Oh YEAH! Bring it! Did you say 3D tint? Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight! WooHoo!

Does the Meteor have a Disco mode?

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