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I would bet they will have lower lux performance than their de domed brothers but with nicer tint of course. This silicone looks about 0,6mm thick so it could have slightly bigger dome projection(but not much).

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Has anyone found a source for these besides Cutter? (Stateside.)

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MG wrote:
Has anyone found a source for these besides Cutter? (Stateside.)

… and preferably in a neutral tint.

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Those bond wires look pretty beefy...I have a sneaking suspicion that these are going to be incredible but only available for a short run. Better buy all that you can now once their available.. I'm thinking of ways to keep those bond wires cool so they can handle additional current...

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luminarium iaculator wrote:

I would bet they will have lower lux performance than their de domed brothers but with nicer tint of course. This silicone looks about 0,6mm thick so it could have slightly bigger dome projection(but not much).

From the datasheet measurements it should be ~0.35mm. See my post #43.
And it may actually be less than 0.35mm. From looking at other datasheets (like XP-G2) 0.65mm appears to only be for the substrate (not including the die + phosphor thickness).

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This will be interesting. We were talking about such a setup here before it released—that is, leaving a thin layer of gel material to maintain a higher-K while still getting apparent die image of similar size. It could possibly help rid the double-tint drop from a reflective aperture on top of a de-dome. You would have a single tint drop from the RA reflection into the phosphor only.

The die window should have a consistent surface finish and thickness I would expect vs a liquid sealer, so it will be a good LED to test against a sealed one.

The bond wires could be thicker, but they also could be raised material in a “bump” shape giving an illusion from an angle.

I can see it now; the first CREE LED I’ll want an AR-coating applied to directly. :bigsmile:

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It is going to be interesting to find out (i don’t think i will contribute much :D) what is more efficent, the lower flux bin of the XP-L HI but with a sustained CW going in to the RA, or the higher flux binned XP-L HD but dedomed but with a warmer tint + RA.

Or just the regular even higher flux binned XM-L2 U4 & XP-G2 S4 dedomed + RA.

MEM, check out if you haven’t already n10sivern’s test of some of the highest flux binned options we have nowadays, in the 1504 domed & dedomed. Very interesting, for example at least to me the XM-L2 U4 was a suprisingly good & efficient performer. I wish I had ordered more in my last order from Richard Smile

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My experiment with shaving the dome’s for the same effect is very encouraging. I used a 1mm washer as a guide, which produced repeatable results and I built a triple with it. Nice.

So my next step is to castrate 12 XP-L 3D emitters and see what the Noctigon Meteor M43 does with em. (I have the emitters and the M43, am waiting on the nerve to do it to show up)

Edit: the bond wire thing is an optical illusion, my sliced ones have the same effect. Wink

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Why don’t you buy 12 XP-L V6 2A & dedome instead? Cutters have them soon available, if you need them without the dome, that is what I would have done(if cutters wouldn’t have such crazy expensive shipping that is ;)). They should end up close to 3D, and then you have lots of rare 3D’s to use in other builds Wink

To bad about the bondwire illusion, but at least we know now.

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Looks like Cutter is going to be the first to get the V2 bin, nobody else even has it listed yet.

So now I have to decide between waiting, or just getting a slightly lower bin from mouser

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Pilotdog, I’m placing an order if you want in to get cheaper shipping

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Pilotdog, I’m placing an order if you want in to get cheaper shipping

From cutter? How much do you think it would work out to per emitter?

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PM sent pilotdog

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hi
great product if comes to market Big Smile

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Cutter still don't have stock of this though they did have some in for testing.

 

djozz quotes, "it came with chinese lettering that is chinese to me".

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MRsDNF wrote:

Cutter still don’t have stock of this though they did have some in for testing.


beam rang 14 kilometer bright is it hyperbole
i cant mind this
there is extra observe can you augment that?

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hamedshh wrote:
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Cutter still don’t have stock of this though they did have some in for testing.


beam rang 14 kilometer bright is it hyperbole
i cant mind this
there is extra observe can you augment that?

Beam rang 14 kilometer bright mind not MRsDNF augment, only Cutter stock augment extra observe.
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Mike C wrote:
hamedshh wrote:
MRsDNF wrote:

Cutter still don't have stock of this though they did have some in for testing.

beam rang 14 kilometer bright is it hyperbole i cant mind this there is extra observe can you augment that?
Beam rang 14 kilometer bright mind not MRsDNF augment, only Cutter stock augment extra observe.

ok wow!Cool

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Again I'm lost with whats going on. Frown The idiotic statement in my signature was copied from a flashlight spec sheet. The light itself would be lucky to light up 100 meters 14 kilometers. Who's trying to kid who. I thought it was humorous. Laughing

 

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Again I'm lost with whats going on. Frown The idiotic statement in my signature was copied from a flashlight spec sheet. The light itself would be lucky to light up 100 meters 14 kilometers. Who's trying to kid who. I thought it was humorous. Laughing

yeah i understood that this is not your observe 

the cutter stock say that because they try to show big view of their products for more sale 

sometime they tell you lies 

in my land this is usual whatever many peoples be gullible

just powerful lasers can be traverse more than one kilometer one time i see

the powerful laser in laboratory that it traverse 40 kilometer very dangerous 

and sturdy that i brighten so far mountain via it but powerful flashlight just brighten 100 -500 meter

i hope not be upset from my opinion Smile

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E-mail from Cutter said they hope to receive xp-l from Cree within two weeks……Oh I hate waiting Sad

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hamedshh wrote:
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Again I'm lost with whats going on. Frown The idiotic statement in my signature was copied from a flashlight spec sheet. The light itself would be lucky to light up 100 meters 14 kilometers. Who's trying to kid who. I thought it was humorous. Laughing
yeah i understood that this is not your observe the cutter stock say that because they try to show big view of their products for more sale sometime they tell you lies in my land this is usual whatever many peoples be gulliblejust powerful lasers can be traverse more than one kilometer one time i seethe powerful laser in laboratory that it traverse 40 kilometer very dangerous and sturdy that i brighten so far mountain via it but powerful flashlight just brighten 100 -500 meteri hope not be upset from my opinion Smile

No not upset at all. I love a good laugh and just so everyones on the same wave length the 14 kilometer beam range and a bazillion lumens was from a flashlight seller, not Cutters. Smile

 

djozz quotes, "it came with chinese lettering that is chinese to me".

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MRsDNF wrote:

hamedshh wrote:
MRsDNF wrote:
Again I'm lost with whats going on. Frown The idiotic statement in my signature was copied from a flashlight spec sheet. The light itself would be lucky to light up 100 meters 14 kilometers. Who's trying to kid who. I thought it was humorous. Laughing
yeah i understood that this is not your observe the cutter stock say that because they try to show big view of their products for more sale sometime they tell you lies in my land this is usual whatever many peoples be gulliblejust powerful lasers can be traverse more than one kilometer one time i seethe powerful laser in laboratory that it traverse 40 kilometer very dangerous and sturdy that i brighten so far mountain via it but powerful flashlight just brighten 100 -500 meteri hope not be upset from my opinion Smile

No not upset at all. I love a good laugh and just so everyones on the same wave length the 14 kilometer beam range and a bazillion lumens was from a flashlight seller, not Cutters. Smile

glad everything you say is rightCool

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Hmmm, I’ll let you all know how I like them Wink I only order like 5, but it says my order shipped. Just waiting on their arrival.

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Thats not fair…:(

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hi 

i am so glad to give your times to me

i bought some 3 watt cree led in one lighting market in my city but i don't know which model i bought 

the seller not know about thats models no catalog not any manual they have just told me this is 3 watt cree led

i search all along cree.com web site but i cant find what model is that

can you tell me which model i bought

this is its picture i taken:

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hamedshh wrote:

hi 

i am so glad to give your times to me

i bought some 3 watt cree led in one lighting market in my city but i don't know which model i bought 

the seller not know about thats models no catalog not any manual they have just told me this is 3 watt cree led

i search all along cree.com web site but i cant find what model is that

can you tell me which model i bought

this is its picture i taken:

No LED name, no brightness bin, no color temperature. 

It is a CREE XP-E LED first generation, rest of the fact will never be known, like for example the brightness bin.

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thanks

i test it 

it give brilliant white not cool not warm near pearl just a little like pure white

cree say 300 lumen but yet i have not any luminous tester to determine how many lumens release but so glare that my eyes got annoyance when i saw it

it produce much lumen instead chines leds ( chines have low brightness issue when i use them too much must use to give favorite issue)

never such glitter i saw like this that i can say 10 of this can brighten a middle salon

again i thank to you for guide me

 

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Maybe you know, maybe you dont know, but and LED is not sold just with the specification "CREE"
Model nname is required (XP-E, XP-G2), Brightness bin (Q2, Q3.....R5), color temperature (5700K, 3000K) but preferably you would know the tint and know exactly for yourself what to expect (1A, 1B, 1T, 3C, 5B1)

CRI wouldn't be bad to know, depends on your intended use ( kitchen, outdoor light, basement light not all have the same importance)

Also just so you know these CREE LEDs are manufactured in China.

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