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The screw thing is not of any concern. It is still able to do its job of staying in place and not letting the mcpcb rotate when you screw the bezel on.

99.9% of all customers don’t even see that screw, much less take it out.

While you’re probably correct, I don’t understand why wood screws would be used if the plate is threaded for metal screws. Aren’t the screws the same cost? Actually, I don’t understand why wood screws would be stocked in any factory that doesn’t build with wood components. ?

Maybe it makes no difference, but it seems a strange choice.

Oh well, my Convoys seem well built and do their job, so I’m not complaining. Just seems odd, that’s all.

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That is a really good question, why would the assemblyline have wood screws in the first place? Perhaps they ran out of stock and had to use what could be found in order to make quota or something.

I have 4 Sofirn lights and they’ve all been exemplary. Of course, my Convoy lights have also been exceptionally well made. Truly though, I’ve been impressed with Sofirn for the level of quality I’ve been seeing, comparing favorably with Simon’s production and not left behind by any of the big names, in truth they have taken comments and criticism and come out with new upgraded product that is really nice and well thought out.

I would have been pleased to see Simon come out with a triple C8, but indeed it was Sofirn that brought it out and then made the necessary changes to make it a very nice light indeed!

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The screws are less to hold the mcpcb in place than to keep it from rotating when tightening the bezel. Rotation would/could damage the emitter or it’s power leads. With the reflector sitting on top of those screws they cannot possibly back out, so they are indeed doing the job intended. Since you took your light apart it is no longer in warranty anyway, so I guess if it’s that bothersome you can source the proper screws and replace the factory ones while you are inside.

While this discussion is open, this IS the CONVOY C8 thread, so it might be prudent to post your concerns about Sofirn’s doing’s somewhere else. Wink

I made a comment about a post made by Hunter; i.e., “I received Convoy C8 from Aliexpress store and when I disassembled it because I wanted to replace the driver with FET version I found out that they used wood screws to “secure” the led (Facepalm) I inspected holes in the flashlights head and they were threaded for metal screws as usual.”

My post was a reaction to his comment about using wood screws in his CONVOY C8. I think my post is explicit enough – that it is not only Convoy that does this in their C8 products. You can’t label my point as off topic because I was clearly reacting to a post about a CONVOY C8. I merely cited Sofirn and their very own CONVOY C8 equivalent to give some perspective. And by the way, the picture is not mine. It belongs to Barkuti in his review that I mentioned.

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Lol, don’t stress out on it, I only pointed out that opening up a light voids the warranty, any light, any maker. Sofirn is using a C8 design that goes way back, does anyone know where it really started? Convoy is probably the most famous one now, and of course this IS a Convoy thread. You want to talk about Sofirn or Trustfire or Ultrafire or whatever, start a thread. This is STILL the Convoy C8 thread started by jdub who represents Convoy here.

If you’ve seen C8 clones with issues, simply state you’ve seen it before. Remember that all these lights that have crossed the line all worked right up until somebody cracked em open…. regardless, this IS a thread started to show that Convoy was listening and is making a clear anodized C8 for the masses.

Just FYI, you’re very new here and probably don’t know that BLF is the King of hijacked threads. Wink

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Just FYI, you’re very new here and probably don’t know that BLF is the King of hijacked threads. Wink

Amen to that Big Smile

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Jack, remember when they used to quote quoted quotes quoting quoted quotes? They’d run like 30 deep in a post, take up an entire page. It got a bit crazy there for a while… lol

Oh, by the way, I FEEL that guys pain every time I see him hit the floor! UGH! hahahahaha

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Hope it ain’t a dumb question, but are youse sure those are wood screws and not sheet-metal screws?

Still not too swift using them instead of what the holes are properly threaded for, but maybe they were thinking, “Hey, the shelf is fairly thin aluminum… can’t find my M-whatever screws… might as well use sheet-metal screws.” or something to that effect.

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Jack, remember when they used to quote quoted quotes quoting quoted quotes? They’d run like 30 deep in a post, take up an entire page. It got a bit crazy there for a while… lol

Oh, by the way, I FEEL that guys pain every time I see him hit the floor! UGH! hahahahaha


Yep, that was one fun thread Silly I accessed it on mobile only, and the white part of the page was barely a fifth of the total horizontal length of the page! Fun times.

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Yeah, I’ve wondered what would happen to my neck if I fall, something like that? Or if a kid bumps me from behind and makes me fall and hit a chair or something, will these 6 Ti screws snap right out of my vertebrate or what? Freaky to think about, for sure.

But hey, on that note! Smile I’ve found a new use for hot rodded lights! If I do stupid stuff and get my neck hurting I can turn a nice light on in Turbo and move it around about 3” from my neck and it feels so GOOOD! Big Smile

MACROLUMEN Therapy. Wink

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Hope it ain’t a dumb question, but are youse sure those are wood screws and not sheet-metal screws?

Still not too swift using them instead of what the holes are properly threaded for, but maybe they were thinking, “Hey, the shelf is fairly thin aluminum… can’t find my M-whatever screws… might as well use sheet-metal screws.” or something to that effect.


I’m gonna say it straight: I’m not bothered with Convoy cutting a corner just once or twice given how much modding is a factor for them. And I have way more reason to complain than two semi-inadequate screws, as I see it: the pill on my latest light (an S2) doesn’t have the driver retaining ring – instead, the driver board is welded directly on the pill in two spots. I’ll post a photo when I can.

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Soldered, is what I hope you meant by that. Yeah, Jaxman does that as well. Much easier to unscrew a brass retaining ring of course and if you contact Simon I’m sure he’ll send you one or some or something. Still…

As I understand it Simon has only a bare few people helping him, I can see being small and having little or no professional help, how do you keep your eye on these guys all the time, right? But yeah, a pita come modding time.

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Yeah, I’ve wondered what would happen to my neck if I fall, something like that? Or if a kid bumps me from behind and makes me fall and hit a chair or something, will these 6 Ti screws snap right out of my vertebrate or what? Freaky to think about, for sure.

But hey, on that note! Smile I’ve found a new use for hot rodded lights! If I do stupid stuff and get my neck hurting I can turn a nice light on in Turbo and move it around about 3” from my neck and it feels so GOOOD! Big Smile


Hopefully we’ll never find out for real Silly

Well now, flashlights have ousted lanterns and candles as illumination devices, now they’re open to replacing hot water bottles as thermal therapy devices? That’s news to me! Big Smile Gonna try out a torch turned on Turbo next time I bend a joint at the wrong speed. lol

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Just think of the modes as warm, soothingly hot, and Bacon…. maybe stay away from Bacon mode… Wink

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Yeah, soldered. Not a native speaker, so a few small parts of the English language (technical terms especially) elude me sometimes. Always learning more, though!

Eh, I’m really not bothered. Being a Biscotti light with the exact tint I wanted, I see no reason to mess with the pill’s components, and the soldering is solid from what I’ve tested. Besides, I have a 3/5 S2 that I’m not really in love with if I ever get the urge to flex my modding muscles Crazy

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Hi DB Custom smiles

The original C8 that everyone, including Convoy, has copied came out about 10-12 years ago and was branded Ultrafire. It had a great design but was made of cheap parts. Plastic lens and reflector, cheap switch and finish, Q5 led. It sold for less than $10 USD.

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Wow! Thanks JasH! And can you believe we can still get that exact same cheap light on FastTech! Silly

I modded a friends “A60” recently and it was not branded Jacob A60. I found one on here for my son for his birthday this past summer that is branded Jacob A60 and it seems to be a quality light. My friends light looked cheaply made by comparison but he swears up and down he bought it as an original when they first came out. He wanted it to have throw, so I put an XP-E2 Torch in it at about 2A. Those little Torch emitters have remarkable throw, especially de-domed, even if lumens is pretty lousy. So now I have to wonder what an C8 would do with a de-domed Torch emitter?

Might need to pick up a C8 host from Simon and find out…

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I’m gonna say it straight: I’m not bothered with Convoy cutting a corner just once or twice given how much modding is a factor for them. And I have way more reason to complain than two semi-inadequate screws, as I see it: the pill on my latest light (an S2) doesn’t have the driver retaining ring – instead, the driver board is welded directly on the pill in two spots. I’ll post a photo when I can.

Every S2(+) with 6*7135 or 8*7135 is soldered, only up to 4*7135 can use retaining ring. It’s the way it’s always made.

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Jack Kellar wrote:
I’m gonna say it straight: I’m not bothered with Convoy cutting a corner just once or twice given how much modding is a factor for them. And I have way more reason to complain than two semi-inadequate screws, as I see it: the pill on my latest light (an S2) doesn’t have the driver retaining ring – instead, the driver board is welded directly on the pill in two spots. I’ll post a photo when I can.
Every S2(+) with 6*7135 or 8*7135 is soldered, only up to 4*7135 can use retaining ring. It’s the way it’s always made.

The 105C (stars select the modegroup) has the 4 spring-side 7135s at about 9/11/1/3 o’clock positions (stars at the bottom).

The 105D (UI-select the modegroup) has the 4 spring-side 7135s at 12/3/6/9 o-clock positions.

On the 105C, the corners of the 7135s keep the retaining ring from locking it down. Some people dremelled out the ring to fit around the 7135s, but you gotta “untwist” the wires first before snugging it down (twisting it).

It’s just easier to solder the beastie into the pill.

But even with a 105D, only 5 or more 7135s will use 7135s on the spring-side, so yeah, a 4×7135 105D can use the retaining ring.

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I did compare my Klarus gt12 and Convoy c8. Well i was surprised that the Convoy did as same as good as the Klarus (beamshot distance, brightnes). No special test, just my eyes.

Klarus costed me 80 EUR, Convoy 20 EUR. Gotta order one or two more from Simon!

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I did compare my Klarus gt12 and Convoy c8. Well i was surprised that the Convoy did as same as good as the Klarus (beamshot distance, brightnes). No special test, just my eyes.

Klarus costed me 80 EUR, Convoy 20 EUR. Gotta order one or two more from Simon!


Yep, that’s the magic of Convoy. Get the whole collection if you can while at it, show the less-broadcast models some love too Big Smile

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I have a S2+, but the C8 is way better. Will order 1 or 2 more Wink I have only problems with mode settings, cause dont know how to do it properly.

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Can’t say much about the S2+, as I don’t have one. But I can say that people love it because it’s a pocket-friendly flooder, a role that the thrower C8 doesn’t fit in the least and fails miserably at when employed as such. Apples and oranges.

As for operating the UI, our buddy M. Hanlen’s advice should help you:

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I did compare my Klarus gt12 and Convoy c8. Well i was surprised that the Convoy did as same as good as the Klarus (beamshot distance, brightnes). No special test, just my eyes.

Klarus costed me 80 EUR, Convoy 20 EUR. Gotta order one or two more from Simon!

Are you referring to the XT12GT?

In which case, the Klarus will have a few advantages. The dual switches makes it easy to access the brightness level you need at the time. More importantly, the XT12GT uses a boost driver, allowing it to output its maximum brightness even as the battery drains. The C8 may compete initially, but as the battery drains, its brightness will decrease, while the XT12GT’s boost driver will maintain output.

Now, whether those advantages are worth 3-4x the cost of the C8 is up to you. Personally, I think the C8 and S2+ have a place in anyone’s collection, just because they are cheap enough that, well, why the heck not? But if you are going to be using a light heavily everyday, it may be worth it to also look into a light that uses a boost driver. For a thrower, that would be something like the XT12GT, Armytek Predator/Doberman Pro, etc.

But again, for light-moderate use, the C8 is great. And even if you use a light enough to justify something more expensive, when you can get a C8 for ~$20, it makes a ton of sense to pick one up as a backup.

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I have a S2+, but the C8 is way better. Will order 1 or 2 more Wink I have only problems with mode settings, cause dont know how to do it properly.

The old drivers with the 3 or 5 modes were the only bad thing on Convoy’s lights. The memory function used “on time” settings which aggravated me and other people.

I haven’t bought a Convoy since he came out with the new biscotti software, but I assume it uses “off time” memory and is much nicer to operate.

My 3 Convoy lights either have been reflashed to guppydrv or driver swapped to Narsil.

Were you saying your having trouble with the new biscotti mode settings? I can’t help you on that. Has anyone done a video on the menu settings for Biscotti?

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As for operating the UI, our buddy M. Hanlen’s advice should help you:

I could not follow M Hanlen’s explanations. His instructions were not synchronized to the video. It was just a flurry of presses and flashes. Lol.

I guess that’s what the double time menu looks like.

After 10 half presses, it does a flutter, this is when you press for memory on/off, right?

So you wait longer and it does:

1 preflash that you don’t count?
Followed by the number of flashes that you DO count?

Turn the light off after the number of secondary flashes that match the mode you want.

Is this correct?

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Here, I’ll try and put it in a nutshell:

Half-press the switch very fast until the emitter doesn’t immediately turn on when you let go of it. At this point, the Convoy will be in configuration mode, where it’ll do a BIP-boop flash (very short bright flash and a longer dimmer one), a BIP-BIP-boop flash (two short brights, one long dim), and if you don’t do anything, it’ll go back to the first mode of the currently programmed mode group. If you didn’t intend for the torch to go into config mode, you can just let it run its course.

If you half-press it during the BIP-boop, it’ll go on mode selection. Then, it’ll flash a number of times with a small downtime where it’s off, starting on one flash and going all the way to 12 flashes, upon where it’ll go back to 1 flash. The number of flashes indicates the mode group that it’ll fall into when you HALF-press (this is important) the switch.

Now, if you half-press it during the BIP-BIP-boop flash, you’ll toggle mode memory. If it was on, it’ll now be off; if it was off, it’ll be on now.

It sounds way harder than it actually is, believe me. And yes, I added old TV robot noises to help me explain it Big Smile

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Okay, so there is no pre flash when counting the 12 modes. If it flashes 5 times, then that’s mode 5, right?

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Yep, seems like you nailed the concept already. lol

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Jack Kellar wrote:
I’m gonna say it straight: I’m not bothered with Convoy cutting a corner just once or twice given how much modding is a factor for them. And I have way more reason to complain than two semi-inadequate screws, as I see it: the pill on my latest light (an S2) doesn’t have the driver retaining ring – instead, the driver board is welded directly on the pill in two spots. I’ll post a photo when I can.

Every C8 or S2(+) with 6*7135 or 8*7135 is soldered, only up to 4*7135 can use retaining ring. It’s the way it’s always made.
I have an old style Convoy C8 with a removable pill and 8*7135 driver held in by a retaining ring. So clearly it’s not ‘every’ C8 Smile

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