COB LED Flashlight?

After having come across by accident some information about COB LED's it seems that a COB (chip on board) LED would make a good flashlight for some kind of purpose since it can be obtained in a rather small diameter and it can put out about 100-130lm/w. There are other multiple advantages as well. This page has a comparison of a Ceramic COB LED vs an Aluminum COB LED vs a typical high power single LED.

Just to quote something from the page above "COB LEDs have great advantage of thermal resistance, larger cooling area, better lighting effect and high light efficacy."

Since I am an BLF Illumination Engineer-in-training (and at the very start of my training yet!) can one or more of our "Elite BLF Scientists" or anyone else chime in as to if the idea of a COB LED Flashlight would be plausible and practical? Come on - do not be shy.

The main website for the COB LED's from the above links have much more information.

Thank you for your input.

I love COBs and havw this thought in my mind for a long time.

The main Problem ist the Voltage - most COBs want something over 30V and that’s hard to get in a not that big flashlight :frowning:

I have just found the specs of one at random from that site and it says 8.4V-10.2V. Is this still doable?

[reference LED=LC0B25-03W0-XXX]

THat should be doable.

I would love a flashlight with a ~25W COB and a big hotspot

I think nitecorn makes 10V buck drivers, these would be optimal.

Just kidding. Found nothing in the usual round format, only bricks. I guess you’d have to cobble a custom host/driver together.

This LD33 driver was made to run three XMLs in series, should give you something around 8.4-9.6 V output at 2.5A

I think we already use a kind of COB but better. Isn’t what we call the emitter, a chip? And the instead of a circuit board, we attach it to a star?

Comparing the thermal properties of multiple low powered LEDs on a large ceramic board to a single high powered LED on a small copper star isn’t fair. Multiple LEDs on copper will run cooler than on ceramic and a single LED on ceramic will run hotter than on copper. The only disadvantage with copper is that you have to run wires to each LED.

To make sure we’re all on the same page: COB is not a brand name, it’s just a descriptive acronym.

COB LEDs are cheap. They don’t do anything better than traditional “Power LED” devices other than cost. They also typically offer an increased light emitting surface area per cost, which is different - not better or worse. In the case of flashlights, an increased light emitting surface area is not something we want. Since everything else about COB LEDs is the same or worse than Power LEDs, we stick with Power LEDs.

That’s the whole story as I know it!

You may want rethink this-

Many COB LEDs use a ceramic substrate rather than circuit board. And those that do are just multiple LED versions quite similar to the power LEDs we use. In fact Cree's CXA (Edit: and even the MT-G2) is considered a COB led. The big difference is in how much light is produced per watt, that's where Cree shines.

Typically the COB LEDs are meant for broad coverage - plenty of spill. Think light bulb. Because of the emitting area size they are nearly impossible to focus into a tight beam for typical flashlight use. On the other hand if a wide flood is what you want then these are an option.

Just sayin'

For efficiency and flood, multiple low power LEDs are better but it shouldn’t be compared to a single LED on a star commonly used for it’s compactness. COB doesn’t need copper if the power to each LED is low and they’re well-spaced but a single high powered LED does. COB serves one purpose and a copper star, another.

Who are you responding to?

Long story short: There is no flashlight scenario where COB does not lose to power LEDs.

Sure, the MT-G2 and XHP50/XHP70 are arrays… but AFAIK the COB term has traditionally been applied to the scenario where we plunk down a bunch of chips and then pour phosphor over top of them. (Or use other money-saving tricks. In other words I’ve always seen the term COB used in the ‘cheap’ context. Never to a power LED whether it’s got 1 chip or >1 chip.)

If I sit down somewhere and say “bring me your finest COB LED” I don’t think a waiter is going to show up with an MT-G2, MK-R, or XHP70. :wink:

I was refering to the linked document in the OP. It can be deceiving:

I’m still pretty deceived…

EDIT: I finally get your point.

Sorry, my bad. I didn’t recognize the scale until I looked closer at the numbers. They’re the same size. That’s pretty cool!

I’m used to seeing the ones that sit on a big board and I have a couple that actually look like a corn cob. They’re too dim to be very useful.

This is not a picture of a COB LED. That’s just a bunch of mid-power LEDs soldered onto aluminum MCPCB. Not what the link in the OP is talking about and not what COB means in any sense.

I agree fully with wight in this, just one thing:

I have been eying the Philips 'crispy white' COB led, it is round, just 10mm diameter, the high CRI version has extremely good colour reproduction, is apparently very uniform in brightness over the entire surface, and in combination with an aspheric lens would make a great big-spot flashlight. But the 34V spoils it all :-(

I know it’s not referring to a cob of corn. I may be wrong but that’s what I bought many years ago sold as an early COB. …or maybe I’m just not remembering correctly.

You are not remembering correctly or you were hoodwinked. COB does mean something, and mid-power LED packages soldered onto an MCPCB is not it. Generally speaking that’s precisely what the cheapest COB units are intended to replace! What you pictured is much more similar to the 3rd diagram than the 1st or 2nd.
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