[Ended]Groupbuy : Utorch UT02 (single cell XHP-35 HI / 26650 thrower)

[cdjaney]

@vol

I have both lights. I bought the Manker from a USA vendor. Both are neutral white. My observations are the Manker is slightly brighter. The reflectors are different. The Utorch has the led recessed a little. This produces a round hotspot. The Manker produces a soft edge hotspot.
The Utorch has a much lower low mode in fact the next mode up is pretty much the same brightness as the lowest mode of the Manker. Turbo mode on Manker is brighter.

I had both as well and what you said is spot on with what I saw (but you said it more descriptively than I could have). No way for me to measure tail amps though. Manker was bought from Amazon USA (EDCgear was the vendor I think) and has been sent back since the Utorch was “good enough” IMHO.

[Ig1 (Ig)]

Could you PM me the code? Thank you.

[MortyDuck]

Ordered a NW one.

[vol]

After very close inspection these lights were not made in the same factory. The Utorch IS a cheap knock off. I pulled the reflectors.

[MortyDuck]

@vol

After very close inspection these lights were not made in the same factory. The Utorch IS a cheap knock off. I pulled the reflectors.

Enlight us…

[giorgoskok]

@vol

After very close inspection these lights were not made in the same factory. The Utorch IS a cheap knock off. I pulled the reflectors.

Utorch UT02 vs Manker U21, group buy review for UT02

Hello hello! Giorgoskok is hosting a group buy on the Utorch UT02 via GearBest and as many of you know it quickly came up that it’s nearly identical to the Manker U21. There have been some issues with the Manker light and so a lot of folks had questions. May at GearBest asked me if I’d have a look at both lights and give my honest opinion about how the Utorch UT02 stacks up… they came in today. Here’s links at GearBest for both lights, thanks again May… Manker U21 UTorch UT02 […

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Utorch UT02 vs Manker U21, group buy review for UT02

The finger smudges on the reflector of the U21… [image] Both lights reflectors are like large versions of the Manker X6, threaded and with the ramped o-ring shelf on top, the bezel pushes the lens against the o-ring which in turn seals against the reflector and flares against the sides of the bezel. I like this design. [image] [image] [image] The above 3 pics are from the Utorch, below are from the Manker… [image] [image] [image] On both lights, the bezel text lines up with the switch, ver…

[MortyDuck]

[vol]

@giorgoskok

@vol

After very close inspection these lights were not made in the same factory. The Utorch IS a cheap knock off. I pulled the reflectors.

Utorch UT02 vs Manker U21, group buy review for UT02

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Utorch UT02 vs Manker U21, group buy review for UT02 - #18 by DB_Custom

Please just say what you mean.

I will tell you what I mean.

[MAD_TM26]

@vol,
Would be great if you could share some further info on these missing pieces… Thanks

@NikolaS

@vol

I have both lights. I bought the Manker from a USA vendor. Both are neutral white. My observations are the Manker is slightly brighter. The reflectors are different. The Utorch has the led recessed a little. This produces a round hotspot. The Manker produces a soft edge hotspot.
The Utorch has a much lower low mode in fact the next mode up is pretty much the same brightness as the lowest mode of the Manker. Turbo mode on Manker is brighter.

Then you might have first generation driver in Manker,and you can expect some problems or even fried components. If you can read tail Amps it would determine that. On new driver max would be 2-3Amp, and on old 5-6 Amp?

@vol

After very close inspection these lights were not made in the same factory. The Utorch IS a cheap knock off. I pulled the reflectors.

[giorgoskok]

@vol

@giorgoskok

@vol

After very close inspection these lights were not made in the same factory. The Utorch IS a cheap knock off. I pulled the reflectors.

Utorch UT02 vs Manker U21, group buy review for UT02

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Utorch UT02 vs Manker U21, group buy review for UT02 - #18 by DB_Custom

Please just say what you mean.

I will tell you what I mean.

I mean that reflectors are the same . At least in the current production lights.

Edit : There is a small difference in older U21s . i have commented this in the thread i mentioned .

[vol]

@giorgoskok

@vol

@giorgoskok

@vol

After very close inspection these lights were not made in the same factory. The Utorch IS a cheap knock off. I pulled the reflectors.

Utorch UT02 vs Manker U21, group buy review for UT02

and

Utorch UT02 vs Manker U21, group buy review for UT02 - #18 by DB_Custom

Please just say what you mean.

I will tell you what I mean.

I mean that reflectors are the same . At least in the current production lights.

Edit : There is a small difference in older U21s . i have commented this in the thread i mentioned .

So now the older U21 that throws at 120K plus is a piece of junk and that will blow the driver?
And now the Utorch is brighter?

[vol]

I have both. Don’t buy the Utorch.

[giorgoskok]

@vol

So now the older U21 that throws at 120K plus is a piece of junk and that will blow the driver?
And now the Utorch is brighter?

Where you found those info ? Every measurement you need is in the link i posted (UT02 vs U21)

Only thing users wrote about older U21s : Utorch UT02 vs Manker U21, group buy review for UT02 - #72 by Tom_E

[vol]

@giorgoskok

@vol

So now the older U21 that throws at 120K plus is a piece of junk and that will blow the driver?
And now the Utorch is brighter?

Where you found those info ? Every measurement you need is in the link i posted (UT02 vs U21)

Only thing users wrote about older U21s : Utorch UT02 vs Manker U21, group buy review for UT02 - #72 by Tom_E

So now you are calling us all dumb?

[DB_Custom (Dale)]

vol, the facts are that early production samples of the Manker U21 that run in the +5A range have had problems with the driver, which is why Manker reduced amperage to some 2.24A. It doesn’t mean that you WILL have problems, but it’s likely.

The two lights I got from GearBest, both the U21 and UT02, use the same reflector, same mcpcb, same driver, same spring pcb and same UI. The anodizing is the same, threads are the same, very slight differences in the machining for a very minimal change of style.

Whether or not all future samples will follow this pattern remains to be seen.

There is not anything wrong with the UTorch, advising against buying it is simply a misconception and not truly applicable. Asking such a question as you posed above is only begging for a controversial answer.

[vol]

@DB Custom

vol, the facts are that early production samples of the Manker U21 that run in the +5A range have had problems with the driver, which is why Manker reduced amperage to some 2.24A. It doesn’t mean that you WILL have problems, but it’s likely.

The two lights I got from GearBest, both the U21 and UT02, use the same reflector, same mcpcb, same driver, same spring pcb and same UI. The anodizing is the same, threads are the same, very slight differences in the machining for a very minimal change of style.

Whether or not all future samples will follow this pattern remains to be seen.

There is not anything wrong with the UTorch, advising against buying it is simply a misconception and not truly applicable. Asking such a question as you posed above is only begging for a controversial answer.

Facts?

[Tom_E]

vol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll. I'm not gonna help you or take the bait - you can be helpful or continue down this path, your choice.

[vol]

@Tom E

vol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll. I’m not gonna help you or take the bait - you can be helpful or continue down this path, your choice.

I am disappointed in this Utorch light I ordered. I based my order on the original spec posted in this original thread. I didn’t get what I ordered.

I will leave it at that until I can provide more facts to back it up.

I will have to unwrap a present and buy a meter battery and take pictures and post them.

Hang with me.

[everydaysurvivalgear]

With the money that you saved buying the Utorch you could buy a new driver if you really wanted and still have some change left over?

[cdjaney]

@DB Custom

vol, the facts are that early production samples of the Manker U21 that run in the +5A range have had problems with the driver, which is why Manker reduced amperage to some 2.24A. It doesn’t mean that you WILL have problems, but it’s likely.

The two lights I got from GearBest, both the U21 and UT02, use the same reflector, same mcpcb, same driver, same spring pcb and same UI. The anodizing is the same, threads are the same, very slight differences in the machining for a very minimal change of style.

Whether or not all future samples will follow this pattern remains to be seen.

There is not anything wrong with the UTorch, advising against buying it is simply a misconception and not truly applicable. Asking such a question as you posed above is only begging for a controversial answer.

DB….just curious. Unless I looked at it wrong, my Utorch has double springs in the tail but my Manker U21 did not. Do you see this on yours as well?