We are hashing out the comparative details now on the levels and Krono will be talkin with Neal/EE about making changes. We are all in agreement that they missed the target with the levels, it remains to be seen how they will make adjustments.
As far as overall UI and whether or not it has last mode memory, that will remain Krono’s call.
mattaus has, in the past, done his Hyperion firmware for his P60 drop-ins that utilized 8 fast clicks to step into the modes group, then a menu of x number of clicks to select the desired option, followed by more clicks to change the option whether adding strobe or sos or simply entering ramping to set the desired level or group. With 2 groups and up to 7 levels configurable, it is extremely flexible. I don’t know that he’s still doing this, but I do know that it works fine on an L2P triple Noctigon.
Thanks for the level headed reply Dale. I can get the humor in the jokes about the 132 clicks and such, but I believe the real potential of my proposal (20 fast clicks to change mode groups, whatever they are) was overlooked by many here. I chose 20 because if we have 5 levels, and you are cycling through and miss the mode you want (happens frequently in my usage), or you do a reference cycle first, then you have as many as 10 clicks to get to where you wanted. I’m a believer in doubling the typical margin for error so that puts you right around 20.
With this method, there isn’t any accidental mode group switching, and there are mode groups. So this UI can please most people.
I have had issues with lesser UI’s getting the groups changed around just trying to use the light. Or being difficult to find the group or level you desire. This can be remedied as in Matt’s firmware with how quickly the presses are required to take place. It might be a hassle once, but set it up the way you like it then forget about it. Difficult to accidentally press 8 clicks in 5 seconds, and even if you do it flashes to let you know you entered the menu, then blinks out the battery level. (4.2V would be 12 blinks, 1 for each tenth of a V over 3) just don’t press it again for those few seconds and it goes back into the group/level you had it in. Works well even with my bad memory.
That is of course a proprietary UI belonging to Matt. But it CAN be done with a mechanical clicky, is all I’m saying. I believe Dr. Jones has good usable UI interface with clickies as well. By now, there are probably quite a few.
How cool would it be to have the LD01 mass produced for this light? Also from a member here, this new driver is current regulated and does 5A. :bigsmile: Please forgive me if I can’t remember his name at the moment…
So, for the NEXT GB, we will simply order 1000pcs of a stock light from somewhere for a huge discount, have all of them sent to you for upgrade to the LD-01 driver and a de-domed XM-L2 on Noctigon, then you would ship them out to their rightful owners from there? :bigsmile:
The current stock Eagle Eye X6 does have mode memory, so that seems well within current supplier capability. I’m concerned a more complicated UI could end up buggy. I agree that with a 4-5 mode light …. mode memory is a good solution to having the light turn on in the mode you want, be it high, med, or low.
Mode memory, Then get the mode spacing fixed right, I think this will satisfy the most users.
This thread is getting very noisy. I feel sorry for those who are trying to keep track of who is requesting orders, what is important input, etc. Maybe should be split into a ‘discussion’ thread and an ‘order’ thread.
I don’t think this is an “order” thread. Just a post your interest thread. I’m sure more details will follow, with most likely a link in the op to where to buy.
If something is not correct, or you are updating your preference, please state where you are on the list, and what you want to end up with clearly.
OCD caused me to update the list, I hope this was a help to the organizers.
Parsed up to post 1560, all those who were not 100% clear were updated/added then-was/will-be PM’d by me
42,131, and 145 updated from blank preference to “np”
404 corrected from “cnw” to “nw”
($$_Dep) after name means interest is price dependant
If the organisers would like this list ordered according to entry point and all listings for one person grouped together, please let me know for another update. It’s possible but not 100% I want to
you might wish to number the Cool White in Blue and the Warm white in Orange or Red for a running count on how many of each are being requested. Like, out beside the preference perhaps? That would be cool, and would keep you busy for maybe 3 or 4 more minutes….just sayin!
Thanks for the assist, I’m sure JM and Krono appreciate it.
Edit: As far at that goes, a Google Spreadsheet listing each option separately might be cool, with a single line for each person on the list and the number of lights requested in that tint? Then that could be proofed and Neal would have a very cool list of exactly what is required. Don’t know if you’re into spreadsheets. I get lost trying to figure em out.
Funny, I started a Spreadsheet when we still had less than 500 on the interest list. But, I’ve not updated it since then. You can do all kinds of things with a computer spreadsheet, organize stuff into any order. I did have all the names in alphabetic order, with columns for NW, CW, NP so that the number needed per person could be tallied, then the totals were automatically figured at the bottom. Changes to tint preference and number desired are easier to make and keep up with then, too. If someone wanted to do it, there could be columns added for UI preferences, memory or not, and other things we’ve been discussing here.
Are you the keeper of the columns? Difficult to make that public as it’ll get messed up, but it’d be cool if folks could just add their names and preference in. Lot of work for one or even two people I know.
I kept a spreadsheet going when doing a giveaway once, it was a constant job! Didn’t get anywhere near this size either!
Yeah, didn’t we already have this conversation here once? Seems I recall the final opinion was that a poll would be a better way to let everyone have their own input without giving them the potential of messing up the whole thing. If anyone decides to revamp the list into a fully informational spreadsheet, it should be kept protected from other people’s grubby hands input. However, if it is a well designed spreadsheet, it shouldn’t be too hard of a job keeping it updated. The hardest part would be keeping track of all the information to keep it updated with, when you might get several new responses to the thread in a short while! Maybe if someone could do the preliminary work of creating a shared spreadsheet that only a few trusted users could update. Then, they could keep each other straight, and every once-in-a-while, one of them could upload the results here! I have zero experience with that sort of thing. I know how to handle a single user spreadsheet on my own desktop. That’s about all.
Hi, can I post my interest please - ill treat myself for my birthday
1 of - no preference on modes - and ill go with the majority on colour
That is if I’m not too late.
Not my thread, not my group buy. This is Krono’s party and he is the one that makes the rules. Like all the rest of us, I’m just along for the ride.
It was a surprise to me to be selected to test a sample, but fun all the same. I mod for a hobby, mostly my own lights and a few for friends and it’s these friends that set me up with a light box. I became thoroughly addicted at that point.
While it’s really cool to have all the input from the community on what would make this the ultimate light, I think everyone can also see it made it very difficult to figure out what single parameters would meet the most needs. Everyone seems to forget that we’re not dealing with the president and ceo of the manufacturer, but a fellow member who is trying to wangle the best deal for us all. It’s not like we have free reign to the design department of Eagle Eye. The small changes that have been managed have been through a lot of effort on Krono’s part, long conversations with people that speak a different language. I can’t imagine trying to do that, and applaud him for his efforts.
This is pretty much a first, and we might ought to chill a bit on this first tweaking of a manufacturer and let them get used to the idea of how the end user sees things. I personally have no idea how the business runs, whether they are geared to make 1000 lights or 100,000, I really have no idea. This might be a little boxful of lights for them for all I know. So at this point, I’m pretty grateful that they’ve shown compromise and given us what we’re seeking. It’s a big breakthrough and nets us a very nice light.
Kudo’s all around for the efforts, and for the support throughout this process…
Also from a member here, this new driver is current regulated and does 5A. :bigsmile: Please forgive me if I can’t remember his name at the moment…
