LED Package/ Die Sizes - WIP -

CRX · May 11, 2017, 9:52pm

I am looking to put together information about the substrate and actual die sizes of the LED's that we use in our lights.

Any help with this resource would be greatly appreciated and save me some hours of time searching.

So if you know any numbers or have any failed de doming attempts and digital calipers laying around then you can help me put this table together :THUMBS-UP:

Feel free to point out any mistakes or suggestions .

So far we have:

*~~~~~~LED.Name~~~~~*	*~Package.Size~*	*Diagonal.Max*	*Total.Height*	*Substrate*	*~Dome.Dia~*	*~Die.Size~mm~*	*~Die.mm2~*	*Köf3.Tests*	*Djozz.Tests*	*TA.Tests*

*Cree MT-G2*	*9.11 x 9.11*	*12.90*	*4.85*	*0.65*	*8.30*	*4.47r*	*15.70*	@	@	~
*Cree XHP70*	*7.00 x 7.00*	*9.90*	*4.49*	*0.73*	*7.00*	*3.92 x 9.92*	*30.57*	@	@	~
*Cree XHP70.2*	*7.00 x 7.00*	*9.90*	*4.34*	*0.56*	*7.00*	*5.61 x 5.61*	*31.52*	@	~	@
*Cree XHP50*	*5.00 x 5.00*	*7.07*	*3.58*	*0.73*	*5.00*	*4.67 x 4.67*	*21.83*	~	@	@
*Cree XHP50.2*	*5.00 x 5.00*	*7.07*	*3.50*	*0.65*	*5.00*	*4.82 x 4.82*	*23.22*	~	@	@
*Cree XHP35 HD*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*2.80*	*0.65*	*3.45*	*2.35 x 2.35*	*5.52*	~	~	@
*Cree XHP35 HI*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*1.00*	*0.65*	*Flat*	*2.43 x 2.43*	*5.90*	~	~	~
*Cree XM-L*	*5.00 x 5.00*	*7.07*	*3.02*	*0.73*	*4.34*	*1.97 x 1.97*	*3.88*	~	~	~
*Cree XM-L2*	*5.00 x 5.00*	*7.07*	*3.02*	*0.73*	*4.10*	*1.98 x 1.98*	*3.92*	@	@	@
*Cree XP-G*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*2.00*	*0.73*	*2.60*	*1.40 x 1.40*	*1.96*	~	~	~
*Cree XP-G2 (OLD)*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*2.36*	*0.83*	*2.60*	*1.29 x 1.29*	*1.66*	~	@	~
*Cree XP-G2 (New)*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*2.26*	*0.73*	*2.60*	*1.47 x 1.47*	*2.18*	~	~	~
*Cree XP-G3*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*2.26*	*0.73*	*2.90*	*1.44 x 1.44*	*2.06*	@	@	@
*Cree XP-L HD*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*2.68*	*0.58*	*3.42*	*2.03 x 2.03*	*4.13*	~	@	@
*Cree XP-L HI*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*1.00*	*0.58*	*Flat*	*1.91 x 1.91*	*3.67*	@	@	@
*Cree XP-L2 HD*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*2.68*	*0.58*	*3.42*	*1.88 x 1.88*	*3.55*	@	~	@
*Cree XP-C*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*2.00*	*0.73*	*2.60*	*0.66 x 0.66*	*0.44*	~	~	~
*Cree XP-E*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*2.00*	*0.73*	*2.60*	*0.92 x 0.92*	*0.85*	~	~	~
*Cree XP-E2*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*2.26*	*0.73*	*2.60*	*0.92 x 0.92*	*0.85*	@	@	~
*Cree XP-E2 Torch*	*3.45 x 3.45*	*4.87*	*2.26*	*0.65*	*2.60*	*1.41 x 1.41*	*2.00*	@	@	~
*Cree XR-E EZ900*	*9.00 x 7.00*	*11.40*	*4.40*	~	*6.80 frame*	*0.85 x 0.85*	*0.73*	~	@	~
*Cree XR-E EZ1000*	*9.00 x 7.00*	*11.40*	*4.40*	~	*6.80 frame*	*0.96 x 0.96*	*0.92*	~	~	~

*Lumileds Luxeon V*	*4.00 x 4.00*	*5.66*	*2.70*	*0.50*	*3.60*	?	?	~	@	~

*Luminus SST-40*	*4.95 x 4.95*	*7.00*	*2.4*	*0.60*	*4.52*	*1.99 x 1.99*	*3.99*	@	@	~
*Luminus SST-50*	*9.00 x 7.30*	*11.60*	*4.30*	*0.75*	*5.60*	*2.25 x 2.25*	*5.00*	@	~	~
*Luminus SST 90*	*11.00 x 10.00*	*14.87*	*5.40*	*0.90*	*8.00*	*3.0 x 3.0*	*9.00*	~	~	~
*Luminus SBT-70*	*11.00 x 10.00*	*14.87*	*1.54*	*0.68*	*8.92 frame*	*3.00r*	*7.00*	~	~	~

*Nichia 219A*	*3.50 x 3.50*	*4.95*	*2.00*	*0.40*	*2.90*	?	?	~	@
*Nichia 219B*	*3.50 x 3.50*	*4.95*	*2.00*	*0.40*	*2.90*	*1.48 x 1.48*	*2.20*	~	@	@
*Nichia 219C*	*3.50 x 3.50*	*4.95*	*2.00*	*0.40*	*2.90*	*1.35 x 1.35*	*1.82*	~	@	@
*Nichia 319AT*	*3.50 x 3.50*	*4.95*	*2.10*	*0.40*	*3.10*	?	?	~	~	@

*Osram Oslon Flat Black*	*3.85 x 3.65*	*5.30*	*0.60*	*0.40*	*Flat*	*1.10 x 1.10*	*1.05*	@	@

*Samsung LH351A*	*3.50 x 3.50*	*4.95*	*1.89*	*0.70*	*2.69*	?	?	@		~
*Samsung LH351B*	*3.50 x 3.50*	*4.95*	*1.93*	*0.43*	*3.22*	?	?	~	@
*Samsung LH351D*	*3.50 x 3.50*	*4.95*	*2.33*	*0.43*	*3.65*	?	?	~	~	@

*~~~~~~LED.Name~~~~~*	*~Package.Size~*	*Diagonal.Max*	*Total.Height*	*Substrate*	*~Dome.Dia~*	*~Die.Size~mm~*	*~Die.mm2~*	*Köf3.Tests*	*Djozz.Tests*	*TA.Tests*

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The_Miller · May 11, 2017, 11:00pm

Awesome, this should be stickied, hint hint

CRX · May 11, 2017, 11:12pm

Maybe once it’s finished, if people help to fill it out
This will be part of my LEDs & Other Stuff thread but should also prove useful as a standalone.

leaftye · May 12, 2017, 1:23am

I suggest adding XB-D. We don’t use it in our flashlights, but many automotive lights use them.

mattlward · May 12, 2017, 3:05am

Can you change the colors? I seriously can’t read that! Good dataset!

MRsDNF · May 12, 2017, 3:29am

Looks good CRX. Maybe include the voltage of the leds as well?

FlashMax · May 12, 2017, 11:13am

Hi all, I found this and seems interesting at least to me, but maybe the experts he can go further.

http://www.unistars.com.tw/download/1515_WH.pdf

Jerommel · May 12, 2017, 11:21am

Die size in mm² would be nice.

The_Miller · May 12, 2017, 11:36am

1.5*1.5 LED
0.6*0.75 die
luminous flux 120/110 @350mA
3.3V
5000 and 5700K

djozz · May 12, 2017, 11:54am

Nice project!

At least the XP-G die size is not correct yet, it is very close to 1.5 x 1.5 mm.

When I have time I will measure some leds for the table

The_Driver1 · May 12, 2017, 1:01pm

Measured DIE-sizes of many well known LEDs can be found here (it's in German) and in other threads/posts of sma (he is also a member here on BLF). He even subtracts the area of the DIE where the Bond-Wires are.

Here are some interesting ones (all without dome):

Cree XR-E EZ1000: 0.92mm^2

Cree XR-E EZ900: 0.73mm^2

Cree XP-C: 0.44mm^2

Cree XML: 3.9mm^2

Cree XM-L2: 3.94mm^2

Cree MT-G2: 15.7mm^2

Cree XP-E2: 0.85mm^2

Cree XP-G2 (old 1st version 2012-2015): 1.66mm^2

Cree XP-G2 (2nd version, 2015, the ones that luminarium iculator likes so much): 2.18mm^2

Cree XP-L: 4.13mm^2

Cree XP-L HI: 3.67mm^2

Cree XHP-35 HI: 5.9mm^2

Nichia 219B: 2.2mm^2

Also some are easy to find elsewhere.

Luminus SST-50: 2.25mm x 2.25mm = 5mm^2

Luminus SST-90 & SBT-90: 3mm x3mm = 9mm^2

Luminus SBT-70: circular, 7mm^2

Luminus CBT-140: circular, 14mm^2

Some guesses from me:

Cree XHP-70: 4 x XP-L

Luminus CSM-360: 4 x 3mm x 3mm = 36mm^2 (largest power led array?)

mrheosuper · May 12, 2017, 1:01pm

Didnt know that sst-90 is such that big
I always thought it’s same size of mt-g2

The_Driver1 · May 12, 2017, 1:02pm

The SST-90 ist much smaller than the MT-G2…

Agro · July 25, 2017, 2:47pm

So XP-L HI and HD have different dies?
Seems to contradict exactly the same voltage characteristic…

CRX · July 26, 2017, 1:27am

Always looking for better information…

Lothar · August 22, 2017, 10:41am

Here are some of the SST-40 properties I could find. Still looking for die size though

Package Size: 4,95 x 4,95 mm
Diagonal Max: 7,00 mm
Total Height: 2,86 mm
Dome Diameter: 2,26 mm
Die size: ???

Source: http://www.luminus.com/products/Luminus_SST40W_Datasheet.pdf

Agro · August 30, 2017, 1:58pm

The SST-40 datasheet above actually specifies die size. It’s called “LED Emission Area” and it’s 4.0 mm.

Enderman · August 30, 2017, 2:18pm

4mm squared.
The die size is 2mm x 2mm.

Agro · December 5, 2017, 9:29am

CRX, could you add SST-40 to the first post?

CRX · December 5, 2017, 9:49am

Yeah I’ve been meaning to update this.