A feedback system would do just that. Just like eBay. Have a section of their profile dedicated for feedback, positive, nuetral and negative along with a brief description. Under their avatar display their average
Could be too much to impliment, I’m no web developer or anything
Hey, I agree, but frankly it would simply be good business to make a simple comment in this thread that he is aware and will work to resolve any issues with those who have had trouble. Common Sense 101. It would have eased a lot of folks minds had he done so. Not doing so makes it look like he is avoiding and doesn’t give a darn. He needs to publically address the issue of not shipping per the agreed and paid for method. Waiting for people to PM him doesn’t cut it. Just sayin’…
Exactly, up until now I had been wondering whether I was too harsh in posting about my dealings with him (and due to that I had sb delete the thread-which I partially regret now) but the fact that he isn't posting right now and trying to make this right is pretty horrible.
TO add here, as i just saw that, i lost an envelope containing about 30 copper sinkpads, from the same seller. I never received it. At 1000+ times i have bought online, only once i lost a package, and wasn’t sure if the chinese dealer sent the package. I believe he is a honest guy and that there is someone in USPS causing all this fuss. This envelope was my 2nd lost item. At least Nitro sent me a replacement, but i got only 5 out of 15 xm-l copper boards. He didn’t have any more to send to me.
I'm guessing that was from the 20mm group buy? Out of curiosity did you get a refund for the other 10?
@ Scaru. Yea I saw that thread and its conclusion, I assumed you guys worked it out?
In conclusion, I got everything I ordered and am content. The whole experience was not too pleasant though. I paid thinking there would be the following (he also asked to cover pp fees which i generally don’t like):
-tracking
-bubble mailers
-shipped ASAP (he mentioned those who pay first would get items shipped first)
It ended up taking him awhile to ship. He said it takes awhile to package up, I personally don’t see why he could not have spent a day or two just fufilling orders. He had enough time to work with his new lathe in that time period (which I think was a few weeks)…Also, this is speculation but I’m assuming in the end he made a profit which would make the “group buy” thing not true. My definition of group buy is no profit is made. Again, that is speculation. If any profit was made, I would think PilotPTK should be the one getting the extra money. While I appreciate the effort put in by nitro, the premise was a group buy.
My conclusion is nitro is trustworthy in that he will ship you things but he just isn’t a great seller. Slow to ship and poor packaging. Would I buy from him again? If I needed to I would. Otherwise vestureofblood is now selling 16mm sinkpads for cheaper and when I ordered 20mm sinkpads from him those arrived quick. I think other people actually got 16mm sinkpads from vesture before we did from nitro. I know on that “other” forum, vesture was holding back listing the 16mm sinkpads so nitro could sell his initial batch first.
On other forums, it is completely ok to leave feedback of this type but if SB thinks this is a bit harsh for this forum he can remove this post. I understand different forums have different atmospheres.
Yes, from the group buy. And i never got a refund, but i think it is ok, if it wasn’t up to his fault.
i don’t know the guy or ever deal anything from him… but give the guy some chance to explain…
some of us just can’t be online ( especially on the BLF 24/7), we had other things to do too…
maybe a poor package handling, but it shows that he did ship it.
i lost my package to fasttech’s miami office… even i had the receipt… but since it’s uninsure, USPS pretty much just said… oops, we lost your package… we don’t know where it is now…. sorry :Sp
anyway… whenever you buy something, even through reputed dealer… things still can go wrong with the shipping due to other reckless employees ( or thieves from USPS)
let’s just hope he’ll take some loss and resend it back, that will satisfy everybody and he learned a lesson about handling.
I think on this forum, we are generally too nice. Always giving people benefit of the doubt. But nitro has had issues before. There is not much to explain. He charged everyone 4 dollars for shipping saying it was for gas/bubble mailers/out of state tracking. In the end, he shipped it all at once, saving himself gas while charging us for it. On top of that, no tracking and no bubble mailers. I don’t think that is right. People lost their orders because of the packaging. On top of that because it took him a few weeks to ship out packages, a lot of people are no longer under the paypal buyer’s protection.
However, I do agree he has time to make it right with those that did lose their orders. I just want to point out, there already is a problem. What happens next is up to nitro.
Guys I do appreciate all the help. Their maybe some hope here.
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I went to the post office today. Basically from what I was told is that when nitro handed the envelope to the postal worker he should have told nitro that their would be a 20 cents hand sort fee added to the postage. If he did not then USPS may bare some blame. If he did charge the 20 cents fee then this envelope obviously did not get hand sorted so they may still bare some blame. But the shipper has to file the claim, I will leave the envelope at my post office unopened so that they can verify the claim with the ohio post office. I have PM’ed nitro and will try to work this out with him.
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Like I said before in this thread, I do think they could have been shipped in something a little better, like a bubble envelope but I saw the blame more towards the postal service for not saying something if they felt like their might be a problem. They took the money and envelope without care knowing what was possibly going to happen. Its very common problem.
Thanks rojos for the info, it was very helpful.
The $4 shipping covers gas,bubble mailers ect…. It’s $4 no matter how many u buy
For out of state members it has to be tracked because I’m not dealing with lost packages or they can agree to a buyers agreement on out of state shipping
How in the world can you blame the post office? Like a bubble envelope? You all paid $4 for a bubble envelope and tracking. He shipped it in a $0.04 #10 envelope with $0.86 untracked regular letter postage. Plus he didn't ship them out in order of first come, first serve as he promised he would, but held them all for weeks until he "packaged" all orders so he could take them all to the post office in one trip to save himself more money from the pile he made off of everyone's $4. I'm all for giving someone the benefit of the doubt but making excuses for this is simply amazing.
I know I didn't buy any of these so technically I have nothing to gripe about but I cannot stand by and watch fellow members be taken advantage of by someone's shady practices. I've said my peace and will now depart this thread. Make excuses for how he handled this or hold him accountable, I don't care. I know I was leary of this whole thing from the start and feel my suspicions have been proven accurate. I will not deal with him in the future and will encourage others to do the same much as Scaru tried when this whole thing started.
I do sincerely hope all of those with issues with this sinkpad buy get them sorted out to their satisfaction. That is really all that matters in the end. :)
Johnnymac, I’am not trying to defend him. When he said those words about bubble wrap envelopes he should have lived up to them. That is most definitely his fault, total agree and I was charged as such. I can do nothing about that now neither can he.
Nitro did ship them not in what he said he would but in a regular envelope. Is this unapproved packing by USPS, No. It should have been delivered and undamaged. But the postal worker should have informed nitro a hand sort fee will be charged of 20 cents and from what I gather it is his job to do so. Then the envelope does not go through the sinkpad eating sorting machine.
If you put a quarter in a envelope and go to the post office. You pay for that envelope (with the quarter inside) to be shipped to its destination undamaged. The proper handling and charge is assessed by the post office. You pay them to delivery it with the quarter inside. If they did not tell you it will have to be hand sorted and a 20 cent charge added then I can see where the blame may lie if they approved the envelope for shipping. It’s their job to assess the package or envelope for delivery and charge you accordingly.
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Johnnymac this is something you said. XML/XPG 16mm sinkpads
Johnnymac no flame intended :bigsmile: I like you, just making a point, after all I’m the one with the invisible sinkpads.
We all make mistakes and sometimes don’t do exactly what we said we would, it’s what makes us human. And I totally agree they should have been shipped in exactly what he said they would ship in. The postal worker should have told nitro he would have to charge a 20 cent hand sort fee.
Nitro’s having to pay for his words in time and money.
If vestureofblood sells 100pcs at $1.49 for profit then of course the $2.5 had profit in it. Vestureofblood bought the boards himself and did not participate in a group buy for a low price.
I say speculation because scaru posted at some point about the cost being half if we went with sinkpad’s logo. However, nitro did have to pay some other fees I think? Not entirely sure. (I do personally think he’s making money though)
Glad to see nitro seems to be making things right though. Hope everyone gets the sinkpads they paid for. As Johnnymac said, that is the main thing that matters.
The rules say you're not supposed to ship pressurized fuel via air mail. You do and the plane blows up. Is it your fault for ignoring the rules and expecting the postal service to do it for you, or USPS for not checking out the contents of every envelope and parcel?
I think you know which side I fall on. I doubt I could tell the difference between funny shaped copper and funny shaped cardboard through an envelope. Funny shaped copper will absolutely shred an envelope instead of bending and conforming like funny shaped cardboard. I would have given the shipper the benefit of the doubt. In this case, the shipper didn't deserve it. Again.
The bottom line is you got scammed. Whether or not nitro was malicious, you still got scammed.
Well, if they tried to ruin it through a envelope sorting machine then I would say they deserved it. They should have assessed the 20 cent fee for hand sorting.
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The contents doesn’t have anything to do with it besides it being non flexible and thick. Which they are suppose to assess the 20 cent fee and hand sort. Nitro didn’t take just my envelope to the post office and mail it. He took 50 or so envelopes all at the same time. They know or should know what happens to envelopes with something non flexible and thick in a envelope. They do know or there would not be a 20 cent hand sort fee. My post office acted to me like it was obvious and knew someone was in trouble. I do not know that, its just the impression I got.
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Most all the post that I read about this told me that the post office would simply say “I’m Sorry, there’s nothing we can do”.
That doesn’t seem to be the case here. It seems that the postal worker should have told nitro (their rules) that a 20 cent hand sort fee would apply to each envelope. I do not know if it is policy to tell the shipper that the fee will apply, but my post office acted like it. I should have ask.
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To me its like them having a service to ship eggs with a extra fee, that works very well. You bring in a egg and want it shipped, they simple throw a sticker on it with a address and through it in the envelope bin to be sorted by the sinkpad eating machine. Never telling you they have a service for delivery eggs and them knowing the recipient of the egg will get nothing but the sticker in his mail box.
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As far as scamed, maybe so on how nitro said he would ship them. But he did ship them and in a usps approved way and had he been told they needed to be hand sorted, I just might have received them also. Many people got there sinkpads and I should have mine next week. Nitro has stated that he will reship my order on Monday.
Can we please, especially the folks commenting here who DID NOT take part in the group buy and ARE NOT waiting for things to be made right, hold off on the 'scammer'/'rip-off' B.S., at least until this is resolved? Please?
Nitro has informed me that he spoke to someone today. And he said the 20 cent hand sort fee was charged.
But somehow they had went through the sorting machine.
That was also another possible cause my post office came up with “they could have been put in the wrong bin”.
I think it maybe all over soon. If they charged nitro for hand sort and ran them through the sinkpad eating sort machine it is entirely their fault.
If it was a 2 oz letter ($0.66), then they charged the non-machinable fee ($0.20).
If it was a 3 oz letter ($0.86), then they did not charge the non-machinable fee.
The weight should be printed on the mailing sticker.
But even if it was the post office’s fault, what would they do? I don’t think they reimburse for loss/damage even if it is their fault, not without insurance. Do they?