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My L6 with 70.2 is doing some 9500 lumens with flat top non-protected LiitoKala cells. No sure why the issue of protected always comes up, the chemistry of today’s high discharge Li-ion’s is much safer than it used to be and as such, negates the need for the protection circuits in all but the newest of rookie hands.

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My L6 with 70.2 is doing some 9500 lumens with flat top non-protected LiitoKala cells. No sure why the issue of protected always comes up, the chemistry of today’s high discharge Li-ion’s is much safer than it used to be and as such, negates the need for the protection circuits in all but the newest of rookie hands.

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I’d check with him about which protected cell to use. I’ve only had the KeepPowers which as supposed to be a top performer.

I see an Orbtronic rated at 15 amps.

I just ordered one from Vinh. Smile

I got the Orbtronic 26650

26650 battery Li-ion PROTECTED 3.7V by Orbtronic.

Real 5200mAh that will hold its rated capacity even under high current discharge load.
Free protective case included with each pair of 26650 batteries purchased.

Battery Specs:

Cell Capacity: 5200mAh
Cell Type: 26650
Dimensions: 26.5 mm x 68.8 mm (+/- 0.05mm)
Full charge: 4.2V
Recommended charging current: 2A – 3A CC/CV (Battery can be charged with current lower than 2A, but charging time will take much longer)
Nominal voltage: 3.7V
Cut-off: 2.5V
Max. Constant Current Discharge 15A (Protection circuit – cut off at 15A)
Weight: 97 g
Chemistry: Li-ion / Hybrid IMR
Positive terminal: Wide Button Top
Electronic External Protection: YES – full protection (overcharge, overdischarge, overcurrent (cutoff @ 15 Amp), short circuit)

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For most applications, that Orbtronic sounds pretty good. My L6 is pulling 19.38A at the tail from a pair of Efest 20700 cells (the LiitoKala cells are a bit less, around 17A as I recall), reckon those Orbtronic cells wouldn’t run it.

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I don’t know how is your xhp 70.2 survive with l6 with 9000 lumen ..

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For most applications, that Orbtronic sounds pretty good. My L6 is pulling 19.38A at the tail from a pair of Efest 20700 cells (the LiitoKala cells are a bit less, around 17A as I recall), reckon those Orbtronic cells wouldn’t run it.

You are probably right, the Orbtronics may not work in your light. But I bought them for my light and I am sure they will work fine.

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I haven’t run it very long at the highest level to date, who knows, might not last long. Good thing for me there’s more out there. Big Smile Somewhere along the way I got into pushing for all a light was worth, got hooked on that and it’s just how I do it now. Always looking for maximums from any given light. Not practical, I know, but it’s the challenge…

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But of course wolfdog, and in many another light they should work well also.

You DID, after all, go to a lot of trouble to post all the specs on those cells in case anyone else was interested… Wink They should make a good viable alternative for a gifted L6, even with some tweaks done to it. So it’s good to know what’s out there and available. Thanks! Smile

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I do not understand the specifics of why one should use “Protected” over IMR. I am just following the recommendation from the gentleman who sold me the light.Only a handful of his lights does he stress us to use Protected batteries.

I am just glad that I chose the Orbtronic 26650 over the Acebeam 26650. The Orbtronic had a capacity of 5096mAh with a 9A continuous load.

I am not positive, but I do not think the Acebeam can even handle a 9A load,,at least not safely[too hot @ 7A]

The review below does NOT include the Orbtronic[15A max continuous discharge], instead it pairs the Xtar and Soshine against the Acebeam 26650. The Acebeam appears pitiful to me! It got way too hot at 7A .

For those who do not know the link can be translated into English. Cool

http://www.taschenlampen-forum.de/threads/acebeam-26650-5000mah-protecte...

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Where is a link to these protected orbtronics?

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I saw them with a Google search.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

6 NarsilM user videos
http://bit.ly/narsil-vid1

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Ok, if it’s the one listed on their site, then I’ll have to get some of those.

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Ok, if it’s the one listed on their site, then I’ll have to get some of those.

They are in Tampa, FLA. area,,sal was still able to ship them to me yesterday despite all the power outages.

https://www.orbtronic.com/protected-26650-li-ion-battery-5200mah-orbtronic

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Let us know how the Orbtronics perform and if they fit in the L6 without have to backout the battery tube from the head a little bit.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

6 NarsilM user videos
http://bit.ly/narsil-vid1

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Orbtronic usually ships really fast. Like order on Friday, here (NC) on Monday fast. Faster than Amazon Prime. Thumbs Up

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twisted raven wrote:
Ok, if it’s the one listed on their site, then I’ll have to get some of those.

CPF coupon code will save you $2.60- C11P66F

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JasonWW wrote:
Let us know how the Orbtronics perform and if they fit in the L6 without have to backout the battery tube from the head a little bit.

Will do,,,the batteries are due on Monday and the L6vn could be arriving the same day. In any event I will have both early next week.

Sal informed me that they fit in the L6.I put my trust in him!

The batteries are 68.8m with a max length of 70mm for the L6…….I believe the girth[width] should also be fine.

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JasonWW wrote:
Let us know how the Orbtronics perform and if they fit in the L6 without have to backout the battery tube from the head a little bit.

I have those in my stock L6. Nothing special required to run them. All parts screwed fully together and they work great.

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JasonWW wrote:
Let us know how the Orbtronics perform and if they fit in the L6 without have to backout the battery tube from the head a little bit.

I have those in my stock L6. Nothing special required to run them. All parts screwed fully together and they work great.

Welcome to BLF. Thanks for the confirmation. Wink

If people were more like Dogs the world would be a better place. There would be much less conflict and violence,instead there would be true harmony and grace.

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Put a cherry-picked XHP70.2 80cri 2-step 3000k emitter in my L6, but the hotspot is still greenish compared to the spill, which I would say is magenta-ish. I have not scratched off the phosphor at the edges of the emitter though.

Now I’m thinking getting that lower binned easywhite emitter wasn’t worth the cut in lumens and lux if I could perhaps get a cherry-picked 4000k one with higher flux bin but still decent tint to it.

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De-Doming it and removing all excess phorphor will probably help, but you will get a higher cct with these new LEDs.

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DB Custom wrote:
My L6 with 70.2 is doing some 9500 lumens with flat top non-protected LiitoKala cells. No sure why the issue of protected always comes up, the chemistry of today’s high discharge Li-ion’s is much safer than it used to be and as such, negates the need for the protection circuits in all but the newest of rookie hands.

I agree. That is what my predecessors taught me.

I have to talk to Vinh because this does not make sense to me.

He APPROVED these batteries for these lights. I have been using them for 9 months in the K40vn and 6 months in the others.

TK61vn V4- VTC6
TN42vn-30Q
TK75vn KT-30Q.
K40vn-30Q

I am going to ask WHY I can not use High drains/IMR in the L6vn when they are perfectly fine in the aforementioned lights and many others?

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I think it’s because he said unprotected cells don’t yield greater performance with however he configured the driver.

He’s also not a fan of batteries in a series.

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Liability. Playing it safe against the uninformed masses?

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He answered one of my questions[b/4 I bought the light] but I did not ask him why…not yet anyway.

4. Is any 26650 sufficient? How about an Efest ,Vape power or I Joy? Protected 26650 only

The light is arriving tomorrow and the Orbtronic 26650 on Monday! I am very tempted to use my Vappowers tomorrow night!

If people were more like Dogs the world would be a better place. There would be much less conflict and violence,instead there would be true harmony and grace.

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would a battery like this work for l6 ? or does flat not work at all? so confusing this all Sad

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aspire-INR-26650-4300mAh-20A-40A-Battery-UK-STOC...

or

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LiitoKala-2pcs-lii-50A-3-7V-26650-5000mAh-Li-ion...

and can u even use 18650 for l6 ?

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would a battery like this work for l6 ? or does flat not work at all? so confusing this all Sad

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aspire-INR-26650-4300mAh-20A-40A-Battery-UK-STOC...

or

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LiitoKala-2pcs-lii-50A-3-7V-26650-5000mAh-Li-ion...

and can u even use 18650 for l6 ?


Think of how the batteries fit in the tube. 2 batteries, end to end with the positive of one touching the negative of the other. They have to touch to get electricity to flow. If the positive post is not high enough, they can not touch.

So if you use flat tops that don’t touch, like me with the blue Liitokala cells, you need to add solder blobs to raise the positive posts. Or some people use a tiny neodymium magnet between the cells to get a connection. (Magnets can cause extra resistance and maybe a short circuit under certain circumstances, so they are not a good idea).

Other choices are button top batteries or “raised flat top” batteries.

You can use 18650’s with a spacer tube to keep them centered, but you get less run time and maybe less output, depending on which 18650 cells you use.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

6 NarsilM user videos
http://bit.ly/narsil-vid1

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He answered one of my questions[b/4 I bought the light] but I did not ask him why…not yet anyway.

4. Is any 26650 sufficient? How about an Efest ,Vape power or I Joy? Protected 26650 only

The light is arriving tomorrow and the Orbtronic 26650 on Monday! I am very tempted to use my Vappowers tomorrow night!

Here is the rest of Vinhs answers. I do NOT like to paraphrase. I like providing original info.

PLEASE keep in mind this applies for the L6vn ONLY , NOT the stock light or what many of you modders on here may build.

1.Why can’t I use High Drain/IMR 26650 in the L6vn when you approved the use of VTC6 and 30Q for my K40vn,TK75vn,TK61vn and TN42vn??

70.2 cant handle the high draw from direct driven.

2.Could using them in a series be the reason for alarm? No

3.Would it hurt the L6vn to use an IMR 26650 for a half hour? Yes

For the First time in my 5 year hobby I am getting the light b/4 the batteries! Facepalm

I am going to listen to Vinh. I do NOT know enough about the electrical aspects of the Torch and the batteries to dispute him or others who may have a different opinion.

I am keeping it simple,,,meanwhile I will be tortured for 2 more days until the Orbtronic get here!

If people were more like Dogs the world would be a better place. There would be much less conflict and violence,instead there would be true harmony and grace.

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I tried Efest 20700’s in my L6 on the 70.2 and it pulled 19.38A at the tail. Seems the 70.2 is pretty tough, but I don’t know how close I may be to frying it. So I keep the LiitoKala’s in it as they run a couple amps lower. Still does 9100 lumens though.

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It’s always good to run what Vinh recommends he knows his lights best! And the wait will be worth it hang in there BUD!!

I have the 70.2 (2) P2-1A, P2-1C and the P2-3B in 4 of my modified lights, Lumintop SD75 Jaxman X6, Convoy L6 and the UTorch UT02

The 70.2 is pretty tough, I had them turn blue at 22-23amps at the hit running 2S2P VTC5A’s in my SD75 modified carrier, but running the VTC5’s just over 20 amps. Running the Lexel T/A Narsil 800SIR FETdriver.

I tested everything I have in my JaxmanX6 2S 404SIRFETDD the IJOY 21700’s hit at just over 21amps down to the Basens and the KeepPowers 15-17amps.

Do you have a clamp on amp meter? It would be interesting to see what your light is pulling with these recommended batteries!!

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