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^ Good information. The 5000 lumen Q8 is one of the harder driven lights stock but thanks to the non-bypassed springs the leds are not in the really inefficient region (they are with bypasses!). And the body size of the Q8 is quite in balance with the leds/currents, unlike i.e. the Acebeam with 25,000 lumen in a comparable package, that needs ultrafast stepdown (but is still IMO the coolest light around).

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djozz, is it you are suggesting to have more thermal mass under leds mcpcb seating by reducing the length of fin? Those deep section of fin don’t have much airflow anyway, might as well make the fins shallower?

It is not the thermal mass I want it for (although it does add a bit that will help lengthening the turbotime somewhat just because of that), but I want it for a large enough cross-section to help the heat getting through to the rest of the body of the flashlight.

(and with 200W power the fins are mostly cosmetic, they will do a certain job at lower powers)


I get your idea. Highway for the heat to transfer to flashlight body and surrounding, not just adding thermal mass.

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JasonWW, I think KawiBoy said he rather see 3*XHP70.2, not 7*XHP70.2.

But I prefer they drive the LED at the maximum spec to have better efficiency. Or maybe 125% of maximum spec, for example from 4A to 5A in Turbo.

This light in stock form must surpass any old flashlight out there except DX80(it is not old by the way). Else it will not gain much interest due to its big size. So I think two options below will be very good options:

1.30000 lumens, 250kcd, for at least 5 minutes
2.16000 lumens, 600kcd, for at least 10 minutes

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JasonWW, I think KawiBoy said he rather see 3*XHP70.2, not 7*XHP70.2.

But I prefer they drive the LED at the maximum spec to have better efficiency. Or maybe 125% of maximum spec, for example from 4A to 5A in Turbo.

This light in stock form must surpass any old flashlight out there except DX80(it is not old by the way). Else it will not gain much interest due to its big size. So I think two options below will be very good options:

1.30000 lumens, 250kcd, for at least 5 minutes
2.16000 lumens, 600kcd, for at least 10 minutes

Can we have a vote? Lol
I vote option 1
For a light that big, it needs the massive lumens to justify its size. And 250kcd is no slouch, should be able to see things at good enough distance.
If I need to see things further, I’ll take out the smaller tn42 or even smaller olight m3xs.

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JasonWW, I think KawiBoy said he rather see 3*XHP70.2, not 7*XHP70.2.

But I prefer they drive the LED at the maximum spec to have better efficiency. Or maybe 125% of maximum spec, for example from 4A to 5A in Turbo.

This light in stock form must surpass any old flashlight out there except DX80(it is not old by the way). Else it will not gain much interest due to its big size. So I think two options below will be very good options:

1.30000 lumens, 250kcd, for at least 5 minutes
2.16000 lumens, 600kcd, for at least 10 minutes

Can we have a vote? Lol
I vote option 1
For a light that big, it needs the massive lumens to justify its size. And 250kcd is no slouch, should be able to see things at good enough distance.
If I need to see things further, I’ll take out the smaller tn42 or even smaller olight m3xs.


I was thinking no vote needed. If all are 12V leds, then we just pick our option for 7*XHP70.2+1*XHP35 HI or 8*XHP35 HI or buy both.

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JasonWW, I think KawiBoy said he rather see 3*XHP70.2, not 7*XHP70.2.

He was actually suggesting 8 × 70.2. 3 with a deep reflector and 5 with a shallow reflector. I used 7 in my example so it would compare better to the Imalent light.

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I see. Now I got it.

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DENGOH wrote:
I think two options below will be very good options:

1.30000 lumens, 250kcd, for at least 5 minutes
2.16000 lumens, 600kcd, for at least 10 minutes


I think giorgoskok already mentioned it would be about 30k lumen. Or someone did, I’m not sure now.

I seriously don’t think we have any say in this companies business. Maybe freeme can suggest software changes to make the modes better spaced, but that’s about it. This isn’t a BLF designed light.

About the 2 options you posted, are those realistic?

I think the DX80 can do turbo for 5 minutes (?) and is about 30,000 lumen. Does anyone know what it’s candela is? Is it close to 250kcd?

How would you get 16,000 lumen and 600kcd? 8 xhp35 at 2k lumen each and shallow little reflectors? Would that actually produce that distance?

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Lumen wise they are all feasible, no doubt about that.
I know 250kcd and 600kcd are tough. I think it all depends on the reflector design. Since they are still at prototype stage, I hope reflector dimension and flashlight size are still not finalized.
DX80 hit around 100kcd although some members measured 140kcd I believe.

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JasonWW wrote:
This once sexy light just got a whole lot ugly.

How are you supposed to turn it on with an overhand or reverse grip with the light by your shoulder? This is how I use my L6, but this light has a weird finger cutout preventing this.

The ugly grenade style battery tube. The 4 ugly flat cutouts on the battery tube. The big, diagonal slices on the head. The screws holding the switch cover in place.

What happened to the sexy looks of the earlier MF01 and MF02? Did they hire the designer that Haikelite fired after he designed their MT03 and MT07? I see a lot of similarities.

I know they are trying to save weight by cutting a lot of material out, but geez, don’t turn it into a ugly monstrosity only a few will want to buy. So far these teaser pics make the Imalent it’s competing against look like a beauty queen.

IDK, I sure seem grumpy for some reason.

You could be on to something. The MF-01 fins certainly resemble those on the SC01. Being that both brands’ lights are more budget friendly, it wouldn’t surprise me if some designers and engineers are contractors and bounce from company to company.

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wolfdog1226 wrote:
nodoubt wrote:
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We need a REAL xhp70.2 thrower this time.

Pretty good and not nearly as bulky.

https://skylumen.com/collections/v54-lights/products/mateminco-mt35vn-he...


not even in the same category…
go away..

Whats wrong buddy. There is NO DOUBT you still have a resentment,,get over it!,,,,,,,,,,I will never go away,,you will always be looking over your shoulder!

Qui riposa in pace!

please never pm me again
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“ wolfdog quote “

Hi hahoo I mean NO DOUBT,

,the funny thing is I have you on IGNORE list at CPF. Wink

I never read any of your illiterate, stupid, provoking and childish comments that you post on my threads,,,or any other for that matter..Too bad they do not have that option hear!

I should feel sorry for you, being that INCEST is rampant in your family and MOST of the south!!!

NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF,,,,,,SOLDIERS WILL BE COMING TO YOUR RESIDENCE. IT MAY TAKE A FEW MONTHS BUT WE WILL FIND YOU!!

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DENGOH wrote:
Lumen wise they are all feasible, no doubt about that.
I know 250kcd and 600kcd are tough. I think it all depends on the reflector design. Since they are still at prototype stage, I hope reflector dimension and flashlight size are still not finalized.
DX80 hit around 100kcd although some members measured 140kcd I believe.

Only 100 kcd to 140kcd? Even with shallow little smo reflectors I doubt you would ever hit 30k lumen and 250kcd. You need to greatly increase the head diameter to get bigger reflectors in there.

To keep the current head diameter, maybe use 7 little aspheric lenses like Led Lenser used in their X21R.2 beliw. Maybe even custom TIR lenses?

I really have no ideas for getting 16k lumen and 600kcd. That seems too difficult. Maybe a really big head like on the BLF GT, or bigger, with lots of medium sized reflectors?

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

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I just realized the Imalent DX80 has 8 emitters, not 7. So I rewrote post 92 above. The numbers are more accurate now.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

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nodoubt wrote:

please never pm me again
since it says you blocked me from replying, ill have to tell you here
heres what this wolfdog just PM D me with a few minutes ago
wolfdog1226 wrote:

Hi hahoo I mean NO DOUBT,

,the funny thing is I have you on IGNORE list at CPF. Wink

I never read any of your illiterate, stupid, provoking and childish comments that you post on my threads,,,or any other for that matter..Too bad they do not have that option hear!

I should feel sorry for you, being that INCEST is rampant in your family and MOST of the south!!!

NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF,,,,,,SOLDIERS WILL BE COMING TO YOUR RESIDENCE. IT MAY TAKE A FEW MONTHS BUT WE WILL FIND YOU!!

this guys mentally unstable so it seems
unbelievable….

If someone posts rude things, you can always mark it as rude. I don’t know how they do things at CPF, but here we all try to get along. This should be a positive and inviting forum.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

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Anything is possible.. modified fenix rc40 with the 6 * xhp 70.2 hit 27,000 lumen and 265k lux..

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Anything is possible.. modified fenix rc40 with the 6 * xhp 70.2 hit 27,000 lumen and 265k lux..

Wow, there you go. I see the RC40 has a 108mm head diameter in order to get some decent sized reflectors in there.

I don’t know what the head diameter of the MF03 is, but it looks pretty close in size.

265k is over 1,000 meters.

For comparison, my L6 hits 830 meters with about 8,500 lumen.

So for the modded RC40 to go only 200 meters more, but with about 3 times the output, it means the hotspot must be bigger than on my L6. That’s pretty awesome. It must have a ton more flood light as well. That is a light I think would sell better than what the MF03 seems to currently be.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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I cant wait for more news about it……

I love top flooders, I hope it beat the dx80 in quality and output Love

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I cant wait for more news about it……

I love top flooders, I hope it beat the dx80 in quality and output Love


I’m okay with similar output, but I do hope it’s better quality.
We know it won’t use a battery pack, so that’s a plus (in my opinion).

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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In Maukka review, Acebeam X65 hits 587kcd with 10k lumens.
It is using 5*XHP35 HI.

“X65 Review”: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/52811

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JasonWW wrote:
Franz wrote:
I cant wait for more news about it……

I love top flooders, I hope it beat the dx80 in quality and output Love


I’m okay with similar output, but I do hope it’s better quality.
We know it won’t use a battery pack, so that’s a plus (in my opinion).

I don’t mind it use battery pack for this kind of high power configuration. Without battery pack, it might be safe for experienced users, but it is not safe for inexperienced users.

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I was looking at some reflector based throwers and I see the Acebeam X65vn that Skylumen sells has 5 xhp35, produces 11,000 lumen and does 640 lux or 1600 meters throw. It’s $550, though.

Official Acebeam specs are 12k lumen, 423kcd and 1300 meters throw.

I see he also has an RC40 modded with 70.2. This must be the one Newlumen mentioned. I bet it’s over $500 as well. Probably over $800 since it has a custom finish on it.

I wonder if a big head, 5 or 6 xhp35, reflector light is the way to go? Do a $200 copy of the Acebeam X65. Over 5k lumen for over an hour. No battery pack, just 8 individual cells. I wonder how that would sell?

Maybe Astrolux can make an MF04 based on this same MF03 body design. Just change the head design a little and change the driver. Idk, maybe the X65 design is too last year or maybe it would conflict with the MF03.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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JasonWW wrote:
Franz wrote:
I cant wait for more news about it……

I love top flooders, I hope it beat the dx80 in quality and output Love


I’m okay with similar output, but I do hope it’s better quality.
We know it won’t use a battery pack, so that’s a plus (in my opinion).

for me battey pack is terrible too, I love the freedom to get the battery that I want Big Smile

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16A per emitter is awfully inefficient, but totally worth it for all that output as long as it has more reasonable modes beneath it. I’d love to see a driver that could handle all that power.

The low mode should be lower.

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leaftye wrote:
16A per emitter is awfully inefficient, but totally worth it for all that output as long as it has more reasonable modes beneath it. I’d love to see a driver that could handle all that power.

A 3 volt driver, like in the Q8, would need to handle 256 amps. That’s not gonna happen. If you ran it at 12v then you’d be at 64 amps. It would not surprise me if the next big mega light used 12 cells and ran them all in series to get the voltage up and the amperage down.

They would probably use multiple drivers built on a single pcb or even a stacked pcb. One mcu could control it, but you’d need multiple fets or coils, etc… Similar to how the MF01 used 3 or 4 drivers combined.

One important thing is to keep the amps down so you don’t fry the electrical traces on the pcb. They can only be built so thick.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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for me battey pack is terrible too, I love the freedom to get the battery that I want Big Smile

+1

Sorry for my bad English (gogole transtorla)

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Interesting

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Hi,
- Please kept me informed about this MF03 (7*XHP-70.2 + 1* XHP-35 Hi).
- This is the best idea, combining flood with throw.
- Any chances to make the head diameter bigger, say, 120mm (reflector 110mm), like BLF GT, better then Thrunite TN-40 and 42, better then Acebeam X65 ?
- What is the reflector diameter of the XHP-35 Hi, and each of the XHP-70.2 ?
- How long can the light stay in The TURBO mode ? Only few minutes like others, or any breaktrhough in the heat dissipation tech that it can stay in turbo mode for at least, 40 minutes or so ? Can the HIGH mode be 70% from the TURBO mode ? Can the step be 100% (40 minutes), 70% (100 minutes), 50%, etc ? (Olight X9 never exist, using small fan alone might not be a good idea, but a combination of water-cooled pipe and small side fan like Acer laptop might be a breakthrough).
- Hopefully it can make over 27000 lm and over 1700m throw.
- Can the flashlight be flexible, giving choices to users of using 8 × 18650 or 12 × 18650?
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Peter Wijono wrote:

- Any chances to make the head diameter bigger, say, 120mm (reflector 110mm), like BLF GT, better then Thrunite TN-40 and 42, better then Acebeam X65 ? Highly unlikely

- What is the reflector diameter of the XHP-35 Hi, and each of the XHP-70.2 ? Unknown at this point, it may not be finalized, yet

- How long can the light stay in The TURBO mode ? Only few minutes like others, or any breaktrhough in the heat dissipation tech that it can stay in turbo mode for at least, 40 minutes or so ? Can the HIGH mode be 70% from the TURBO mode ? Can the step be 100% (40 minutes), 70% (100 minutes), 50%, etc ? (Olight X9 never exist, using small fan alone might not be a good idea, but a combination of water-cooled pipe and small side fan like Acer laptop might be a breakthrough). Probably a few minutes. This looks like a regular light, with no fancy fan cooling

- Hopefully it can make over 27000 lm and over 1700m throw.It’s definitely not going to have that much throw due to the smaller reflector size needed to fit this head, 27K lumen looks more than possible, though

- Can the flashlight be flexible, giving choices to users of using 8 × 18650 or 12 × 18650? Again, this is still unknown

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

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Again without active cooling? All these big lights are allready boring.

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Again without active cooling? All these big lights are allready boring.

Did you really think a bargain light company like Mateminco would come out with such an advanced design?

To have active cooling in a flashlight, the company would have to open an entire new division of the company just to focus on that.

Small companies that make bargain lights just can’t afford to do that. Maybe bigger companies like Olight can do it eventually and without too much expense. All that new research and development costs money, though.

So when we do finally see an active cooled flashlight make it to production (and not just slapped on haphazardly light the Ra light) I’m sure it will be expensive. Like when the very first curved TV came out or the first 4k tv came out. This new technology carries a price premium. Over time though other companies can study and copy their competitors and come out with their own active cooling system. Eventually you will see the prices come down and more lights will use it.

Active cooling is like bleeding edge technology. Olight tried and failed at it with their X9 Marauder. I think they are going to try again with a new light coming out soon. I forget the name of it.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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