# FIRST GLANCE AT FIRST PROTO The GT, a BLF special giga thrower

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The Miller
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FIRST GLANCE AT FIRST PROTO The GT, a BLF special giga thrower

A new project

Aim:
BIG thrower that surpasses the latest super throwers like the TN42

thijsco19 wrote:

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Check http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1124848#comment-1124848
DEL shows the now ordered boards for prototyping the driver, YAY!

Important update;

OK good news
LUMINTOP is going to build and sell the BLF GT

We agreed on a price of $111 There will be a limit on how much groupbuy GTs are going to be sold of 555. This means I am going to change the list. We will have 1 primary list with a max of 555 entries. We will have a number of backup lists corresponding with the number of GT flashlights is asked for the most by a BLFer. This is a bit complicated but allows the most people to get one at the groupbuy price. Lumintop is planning to keep on making it so if the 555 are sold it will be possible to buy more. Price for this is not clear. For example I am on the list 2 times I will place my first entry on the primary list and my second entry on the first back up list (Or course I put myself at the latest place) If somebody asks for 10 GT flashlights (not happened but for example) First entry on primary list Second GT on first backup list Third on second list All the way up to the then created 9th backup list. This goes in order of asking. When time comes there will be only one order for a GT possible for the primary list. People have a certain amount of time to place the order. Then if we have not reached 555 units the first backup list is getting a PM for a new round of orders. Then if we have not reached 555 units the second backup list And so on. Complicated but fair for all. latest iteration of design: Decided are TUBE: 2 * 4 18650 / LED XHP35hi (bin etc to be discussed) Team: Tom E: Narsil development Texas Ace: PCB design MRsDNF: Communication Thijsco: CAD analist production / design Fritz15: CAD analist production / design M4DM4X: sales Neal: contact in China well connected in flashlight world. ………….. specs ……………….. notes Name not clear yet ………….. Marking/logo “???” for the groupbuy, manufacturer can choose own marking/logo afterwards . . Pricing ………….. not clear .. including shipping …. manufacturer can decide own pricing afterwards . . Emitter(s) ………….. to be discussed . ………….. LED(s) mounted on DTP star(s) . . Internals ………….. 20 AWG Wires ………… . ………….. Driver retainer ring . ………….. Threads square or trapezoidal (not triangular) for battery tube . ………….. Anodised threads for lock out . ………….. Threads square or trapezoidal (not triangular) for tail cap . ………….. Threads bezel can be anything manufacturer chooses . ………….. Electronic side switch for Narsil operation . ………….. Momentary on tail clicky button (negotiable) . ………….. Mounting for tripod ………………….. mounting nut hole not drilled though the whole body to ensure waterproofing ………….. long fat tube (roughly same size as two stacked SRK tubes) tube for 2 × 4 18650 cells, two cells long, yes decided, no 26650/32650 . ………….. Cell placement in carriers, 2 ot them, designed to have a functional light even when there are cells in only 1. . . Optics ………….. Aluminium? reflector ……. 120mm . ………….. Plastic lens ? ……………. 2.25 mm thick . . Protective ………….. O-ring bezel ………. quality thus thick and perfect fit . ………….. O-ring battery tube … quality thus thick and perfect fit . ………….. O-ring tail cap ……. quality thus thick and perfect fit . ………….. Aliminum alloy …….. 6061-T6 . ………….. HA3 anodisation . ………….. Waterproof side switch . ………….. Waterproof tail button (if used) . ………….. Light comes with spare o-rings in all the sizes used . . Software ………….. Tom E Narsil firmware ………….. Several modes and blink modes ………….. User configurable ………….. Fixed modes and ramping ………….. Voltage check ………….. Low voltage cut off ………….. lock out . . Driver design ………….. Tom E Electronic switch driver for Narsil firmware ………….. Very low parasitic drain ………….. Able to run 4 and/or 8 button top 18650 cell(s) . . Quality ……………. Samples 100% as agreed and specified before continuation to actual sale. . ……………. Final production lights 100% as agreed, specified and samples . ……………. Video of drop test shipment packaging made available before lights available for sale. …………………. This video shows at least 10 drops of the light in packaging from at least 1 meter high …………………. falling in different angles, the 8 corners, bottom and side hitting the ground first . …………….All lights tested before shipping to spot and fix problems and avoid DOA. . . . CORE Interest list showing order of entry . 1 The Miller 2 darkpenguin 3 Mitko 4 Nicolaas 5 giorgoskok 6 keithd 7 mattlward 8 Sonpham 9 Dep668 10 KawiBoy1428 11 RobertB 12 Keepitsharp 13 M78 14 southland 15 Chicken Drumstick 16 djburkes 17 leroycp 18 emarkd 19 pommie 20 Nicolicous 21 staticx57 22 Xandre 23 Khuan 24 casi29061965 25 Mstevens113 26 lionheart_2281 27 Bonham 28 electricjelly 29 nqcken 30 Pegaso 31 JamesB 32 netprince 33 Caleb 34 johny723 35 Gerrh 36 Phoenix_FIN 37 AlexGT 38 JayT 39 slow2go 40 Bribo 41 Gerrit 42 rvr 43 Tom E 44 Tom E 45 aslpg 46 Charga 47 qandeel 48 Wieselflinkpro 49 G0OSE 50 Abqjohnny 51 g_sintornillos 52 wiestom89 53 Stittville Ed 54 Pöbel 55 hunter1 56 Wrathbringer27 57 Eivwer 58 fonfan 59 chooma 60 Flashy Mike 61 lawallac 62 antiparanoico 63 kommessy 64 Jeansy 65 Box 66 ImA4Wheelr 67 thijsco19 68 Wineslurper 69 Wineslurper 70 gungoat 71 troisanh 72 teachtom 73 dodo 74 cmflippen 75 maukka 76 warzi1975 77 rajun50 78 ZozzV6 79 DBSAR 80 zelee 81 mhanlen 82 LSX 83 shimano3000 84 archimedes 85 Pok 86 Liber8 87 akoposilester 88 Kozy 89 chrisc 90 tzmxxhh 91 albertopnp 92 Tarvos 93 BlindingL5s 94 Mr.Scott 95 Koaksijalac 96 gorky 97 Kurt_Norway 98 giorgoskok 99 giorgoskok 100 giorgoskok 101 bibihang 102 hampshire 103 gangstead 104 strayz 105 Kurt_Norway 106 sma 107 Sledgestone 108 samnavy 109 Aardvark Spleen 110 aggillator 111 crx88ia 112 A380 113 Tete 114 malamask 115 netgear68 116 gregor 117 Smittymojo 118 MCT 119 peabody 120 adnj 121 adnj 122 Dwantink 123 Kenjii 124 cloggy 125 WolfA 126 Theodore41 127 CASHESVALLEY 128 MortyDuck 129 Anthon 130 ISO 131 Sciencetists 132 walty 133 viperbart 134 Kurdolf 135 Lfatman 136 240 137 YoFlash 138 stephenk 139 Bruno28 140 derpilgerer 141 puccio1969 142 Lund1660 143 gamezawy 144 Boaz 145 apt323 146 Kodachrome40 147 FlashPilot 148 rfd673 149 MorpheusT1 150 brightlights 151 Dmitriyrus 152 velocraig 153 crz6662 154 Kindle 155 Muto 156 Muto 157 gorb507 158 Aslan 159 Lyubo Yanev 160 Lyubo Yanev 161 RocketTomato 162 Modulor 163 Caleb-v 164 itsme5k 165 JockRobbins 166 RotorHead64 167 J-Dub74 168 prisma 169 theoldbill 170 bjs55 171 aslpg 172 Dutcheee 173 westcoastwonders 174 Sarge930 175 Gerrh 176 Gerrh 177 mrheosuper 178 shogan 179 Koenta 180 caramba 181 tmxod 182 mdeni 183 teacher 184 sb56637 185 NikolaS 186 CheapThrills 187 TheOnlyDocc 188 Abqjohnny 189 HighCaliber 190 e10sno 191 DBSS 192 thesciencenut 193 KawiBoy1428 2nd 194 jmpaul320 195 vol 196 nfetterly 197 niktak11 198 goshdogit 199 darkpenguin 200 abril 201 Vattern 202 treysoucie 203 Martini 204 Sirius9 205 Jesjes 206 papaslightsaber 207 Couchmaster 208 Docp723 209 Docp723 2nd 210 Kentuckywindage 211 kotobuki 212 NuggetMcNugget 213 adirondackdestroyer 214 spkzzz 215 Aardvark Spleen 216 drood 217 bossf350 218 Cliwilnew 219 LEDtec 220 CJW 221 deathless 222 WillyD 223 jack-bkk 224 pooptoast 225 LloydV 226 FBsLights 227 Norddeutscher 228 Norddeutscher 2nd 229 slickpenguin 230 Dralf 231 Dralf 2nd 232 jmoots 233 downlinx 234 Sukoi 235 mizou51 236 sgt253 237 Buzzing Bulb 238 enesrap ? 239 BeardedRaleigh 240 Kulumatic 241 zeroair 242 JaredM 243 battletross 244 plaidshorts 245 Nortson 246 The_Driver 247 Northwoods 248 thslw8jg 249 Rusty Joe 250 knudsengj 251 alex1234 252 needmorlts 253 MagPap 254 Mindaugass 255 light junkie 256 Angel Martínez 257 DarthTader 258 dhsvcs 259 praveendk 260 shirnask 261 Masejoer 262 Angel Martínez 263 Ragsy 264 666fixed 265 264 LOL at nr on list vs username 266 Mindaugass 267 Ricflair 268 iron potato 269 kntx 270 DasEtwas 271 Dustynell 272 jkbam 273 Shadowfax 274 specialk 275 Icarus 276 Lights-Out 277 Lights-Out 2nd 278 MaleNurse 279 bd52 280 Abe87 281 osb40000 282 Lights-Out 283 Lights-Out 2nd 284 yclongthrow 285 scdaf 286 Jvrthp321 287 Bill_tong 288 juaquin 289 jama 290 slackwolf 291 slackwolf 2nd 292 noob 293 FlashMax 294 Frankie Baby 295 kaybi 296 vestureofblood 297 smokuxx1987 298 Jimmy007 299 jerrod 300 amplificus 301 DarkerInSol 302 DarkerInSol 2nd 303 thommy 304 Majoroverkill 305 Jaza 306 needmorlts 307 rag 308 aremihc 309 Fredylee 310 twodollarbill 311 PrinceValorum 312 steel_1024 313 atbglenn 314 magnet 315 jscan 316 LessDark 317 Roberrt777 318 Minimoke 319 tru3s1lv3r 320 NightLight 321 shrick 322 shrick 323 eric800 324 TNT 325 gloomywarfreak 326 Saigon 327 carmantl 328 san san 329 BanglaBob 330 saabluster 331 Anthon 332 moridin 333 whooda4 334 yasenf 335 R.D. 336 Schkü 337 Van 338 marsalla 339 itsonlyme 340 gravelmonkey 341 teacher 2nd 342 lightlight22 343 Bupyc 344 Mkduffer 345 thegameisrigged 346 vamper 347 BOMBAY 348 leroycp 2nd 349 KW 350 Lopan 351 firedome 352 AirBreaker 353 Eraursls1984 354 jingleberry 355 slackwolf 356 BeardedRaleigh 357 Mecallie 358 cavorite 359 foton 360 JPLight 361 JPLight 362 akoposilester (2nd) 363 borealis 364 jaynick 365 Shur 366 Kourtinoksylo 367 mrstealyourgains 368 Jalben 369 james y 370 Sullysat 371 Joey Adams 372 teachtom 373 374 j0sh 375 FreeMagenta 376 zeremefico 377 deye223 378 richnpc 379 turboBB 380 nodoubt 381 korpzgrinda 382 famous36 383 nodoubt 2nd 384 Eggun 385 Speed4goal 386 ARsee 387 Zeratull 388 389 blueb8llz 390 blueb8llz 391 whooda4 2nd 392 Umpi2000 393 bkling 394 Jvrthp321 395 zipelgas 396 CASHESVALLEY 397 tatasal 398 trume_3454 399 igeigeige 400 Angel Martínez 401 Ronen98 402 wkhchin81 403 gigbyt 404 Petroleum Lantern Guy 405 AdrianWA 406 Flash-O-Maniac 407 fuzun 408 xray291 409 ilovejesuschrist 410 greg 411 octav 412 keengeorge 413 keengeorge 414 Yourrid 415 Yourrid 416 AdrianWA 2nd 417 turpulator 418 BT100 419 viper1138 420 joseabul 421 romanus 422 Rick (formatting du to the forum showing things between – different) 423 slow2go 424 slow2go 425 DOCFAR 426 pepinfaxera 427 Gerrh 428 Gerrh 429 Kafar 430 Miguel_79 431 mk4off 432 KaiserSosa 433 Ilellero 434 Silent_Star 435 southcovekayak 436 Bo4ka 437 Keisari 438 Jensa41 439 piotrek966 440 osb40000 441 osb40000 442 Slayer1 443 nofear87 444 clinicdoc 445 samsung913 446 Pulsar 447 lichtpfadfinder 448 Bruno28 449 cypher1024 450 shooterschmidty 451 452 solRNY 453 Lowtech 454 Sukoi 2nd 455 gehrmo 456 oto 457 I_like_lamb 458 Jerommel 459 Stoneface 460 scotlarock 461 Tom E 3rd 462 bjs55 2nd 463 BobbyMK 464 Buzzy243 465 djozz 466 michael.k 467 BDM 468 BorisBar 469 Slayer1 470 ARMS.AARON 471 CrashOne 472 sp5it 473 ARsee 2nd 474 olivedrab 475 qandeel 2nd 476 nnmnu1 477 MBuitendorp 478 Essexman 479 xCentrino 480 Awdtsi 481 scianiac 482 Mikael 483 abhinit90 484 Dydi92 485 BT100 2nd 486 The_crx 487 Kalihi 488 sac02 489 noetik 490 freeme 491 Ag76 492 ClaudeMBallz 493 IndyArcher 494 techieman33 495 Tjhosan 496 bella-headlight 497 Texas_Ace 498 Texas_Ace 2nd 499 l1mb0 500 Charga 501 Sledgestone 502 optntdr13 503 amplificus 504 ChibiM 505 Morgy 506 Litefighter 507 pscal 508 X0R 509 shan6oob 510 chokobo 511 zachary6227 512 zoysiamo 513 macktastic 514 darthmater 515 mstephens22 516 Joat 517 DJUnreal 518 Kit Latura 519 Walker Klondike 520 MACS0647 521 carmantl 2nd 522 jescereal 523 jescereal 524 Randolph 525 everydaysurvivalgear 526 clange50 527 Innerlight 528 Curetia 529 amaretto 530 tonylim 531 Flanny 532 TechnOMatriX 533 Hundelampe 534 koyotee 535 Guns712 536 unit311 537 Duke 538 Modden 539 Maiden666 540 tomas.hrubovcak 541 wapd2 542 xtrosity 543 WuTang 544 Oal 545 flaschi 546 samis 547 FrankFlash 548 nitrader0 549 Sonofspectrum 550 MountainMan 551 krutone 552 heatwaves 553 adsum 554 Phantom1 555 Mikael 556 WaylonJennings 557 DiscoJoe 558 Ilmatic 559 Lipfit2000 560 JM87 561 patmet 562 DOHC20 563 southland 2nd 564 southland 3rd 565 southland 4th 566 southland 5th 567 asnidi2 568 Suncoaster 569 jimmy23 570 kevinfc 571 Bo4ka 572 Swennie 573 Franz 574 xxx 575 Phantom1 576 R10500 577 StarCity 578 polarweis 579 Nathan42 580 ColdFusion 581 Rxich 582 Crazyeddie 583 SteveMidwest 584 jerrytx 585 Bozlight29 586 vinte77 587 mezzmen7 588 darrenm 589 Henk4U2 590 maildroid 591 joel95ex 592 ant0 593 light junkie 594 light up 595 spotlighter 596 drood 597 Megabassie 598 Manimok 599 pleply 600 pilotdog68 601 D10ten 602 Jeffstanton 603 Natasha 604 johnjohn 605 BrianK 606 martook 607 Wennn 608 xray291 609 JayWallis ( updated to post 3665 ) . . . important changes to OP removed The Miller: General communication from team info Added tube for 2 × 4 18650 cells, two cells long, yes decided, no 26650/32650 Added negotiable at tail clicky button since Narsil has extremely low parasitic drain and good safe lockout. Changed glass to plastic for lens lens thickness 2.5mm added long fat tube (roughly same size as two stacked SRK tubes) added Cell placement in carriers, 2 ot them, designed to have a functional light even when there are cells in only 1 POLL results: POLL6 outside design, second round: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/52439 Design 1 POLL 5, design overview. http://budgetlightforum.com/node/51246 POLL 4, LED choice http://budgetlightforum.com/node/50880 POLL 2, name http://budgetlightforum.com/node/50362 POLL 1, shape / for format of te light: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/50344 PLUNGER POLL 3, name, with fewer options http://budgetlightforum.com/node/50382 BLF GT (Giga Thrower) It is done when it is done Lithium Ion safety 101 important read Sorry grammarlovers, I am a real King Typo. Edited by: The Miller on 06/23/2017 - 03:20 The Miller Online Last seen: 8 min 27 sec ago Joined: 12/14/2015 - 12:08 Posts: 7516 Location: Charente France reserved for Narsil It is done when it is done Lithium Ion safety 101 important read Sorry grammarlovers, I am a real King Typo. The Miller Online Last seen: 8 min 27 sec ago Joined: 12/14/2015 - 12:08 Posts: 7516 Location: Charente France Thanks Mr.Scott Up to post 3593 The "Core" GT list (from post #1). updated to post 3593 Ordered lists These lists are ordered as The Miller described in Post #1. • People requesting their 1st BLF GT have precedence over people requesting a 2nd GT. • People requesting their 2nd BLF GT have precedence over people requesting a 3rd GT. • People requesting their 3rd BLF GT have precedence over people requesting a 4th GT. • Rinse and repeat... The key is that your request(s) stay above 556 in "Total Count" column (far left column). If you have requested two lights and both are above 556, someone requesting a 2nd light will be placed below your 2nd light and not impact you, but someone requesting a 1st light will be placed above your 2nd light, pushing your 2nd light down one position, potentially down to 556. The GT List ==========  Total BLF User Req Count Name Count Num ----- ----- ----- ----- 1 The Miller 1st #1 2 Mitko 1st #3 3 Nicolaas 1st #4 4 giorgoskok 1st #5 5 keithd 1st #6 6 mattlward 1st #7 7 Sonpham 1st #8 8 Dep668 1st #9 9 KawiBoy1428 1st #10 10 RobertB 1st #11 11 Keepitsharp 1st #12 12 M78 1st #13 13 southland 1st #14 14 Chicken Drumstick 1st #15 15 djburkes 1st #16 16 leroycp 1st #17 17 emarkd 1st #18 18 pommie 1st #19 19 Nicolicous 1st #20 20 staticx57 1st #21 21 Xandre 1st #22 22 Khuan 1st #23 23 casi29061965 1st #24 24 Mstevens113 1st #25 25 lionheart_2281 1st #26 26 Bonham 1st #27 27 electricjelly 1st #28 28 nqcken 1st #29 29 Pegaso 1st #30 30 JamesB 1st #31 31 netprince 1st #32 32 Caleb 1st #33 33 johny723 1st #34 34 Gerrh 1st #35 35 Phoenix_FIN 1st #36 36 AlexGT 1st #37 37 JayT 1st #38 38 slow2go 1st #39 39 Bribo 1st #40 40 Gerrit 1st #41 41 rvr 1st #42 42 Tom E 1st #43 43 aslpg 1st #45 44 Charga 1st #46 45 qandeel 1st #47 46 Wieselflinkpro 1st #48 47 G0OSE 1st #49 48 Abqjohnny 1st #50 49 g_sintornillos 1st #51 50 wiestom89 1st #52 51 Stittville Ed 1st #53 52 Pöbel 1st #54 53 hunter1 1st #55 54 Wrathbringer27 1st #56 55 Eivwer 1st #57 56 fonfan 1st #58 57 chooma 1st #59 58 Flashy Mike 1st #60 59 lawallac 1st #61 60 antiparanoico 1st #62 61 kommessy 1st #63 62 Jeansy 1st #64 63 Box 1st #65 64 ImA4Wheelr 1st #66 65 thijsco19 1st #67 66 Wineslurper 1st #68 67 gungoat 1st #70 68 troisanh 1st #71 69 teachtom 1st #72 70 dodo 1st #73 71 cmflippen 1st #74 72 maukka 1st #75 73 warzi1975 1st #76 74 rajun50 1st #77 75 ZozzV6 1st #78 76 DBSAR 1st #79 77 zelee 1st #80 78 mhanlen 1st #81 79 LSX 1st #82 80 shimano3000 1st #83 81 archimedes 1st #84 82 Pok 1st #85 83 Liber8 1st #86 84 akoposilester 1st #87 85 Kozy 1st #88 86 chrisc 1st #89 87 tzmxxhh 1st #90 88 albertopnp 1st #91 89 Tarvos 1st #92 90 BlindingL5s 1st #93 91 Mr.Scott 1st #94 92 Koaksijalac 1st #95 93 gorky 1st #96 94 Kurt_Norway 1st #97 95 bibihang 1st #101 96 hampshire 1st #102 97 gangstead 1st #103 98 strayz 1st #104 99 sma 1st #106 100 Sledgestone 1st #107 101 samnavy 1st #108 102 Aardvark Spleen 1st #109 103 aggillator 1st #110 104 crx88ia 1st #111 105 A380 1st #112 106 Tete 1st #113 107 malamask 1st #114 108 netgear68 1st #115 109 gregor 1st #116 110 Smittymojo 1st #117 111 MCT 1st #118 112 peabody 1st #119 113 adnj 1st #120 114 Dwantink 1st #122 115 Kenjii 1st #123 116 cloggy 1st #124 117 WolfA 1st #125 118 Theodore41 1st #126 119 CASHESVALLEY 1st #127 120 MortyDuck 1st #128 121 Anthon 1st #129 122 ISO 1st #130 123 Sciencetists 1st #131 124 walty 1st #132 125 viperbart 1st #133 126 Kurdolf 1st #134 127 Lfatman 1st #135 128 240 1st #136 129 YoFlash 1st #137 130 stephenk 1st #138 131 Bruno28 1st #139 132 derpilgerer 1st #140 133 puccio1969 1st #141 134 Lund1660 1st #142 135 gamezawy 1st #143 136 Boaz 1st #144 137 apt323 1st #145 138 Kodachrome40 1st #146 139 FlashPilot 1st #147 140 rfd673 1st #148 141 MorpheusT1 1st #149 142 brightlights 1st #150 143 Dmitriyrus 1st #151 144 velocraig 1st #152 145 crz6662 1st #153 146 Kindle 1st #154 147 Muto 1st #155 148 gorb507 1st #157 149 Aslan 1st #158 150 Lyubo Yanev 1st #159 151 RocketTomato 1st #161 152 Modulor 1st #162 153 Caleb-v 1st #163 154 itsme5k 1st #164 155 JockRobbins 1st #165 156 RotorHead64 1st #166 157 J-Dub74 1st #167 158 prisma 1st #168 159 theoldbill 1st #169 160 bjs55 1st #170 161 Dutcheee 1st #172 162 westcoastwonders 1st #173 163 Sarge930 1st #174 164 mrheosuper 1st #177 165 shogan 1st #178 166 Koenta 1st #179 167 caramba 1st #180 168 tmxod 1st #181 169 mdeni 1st #182 170 teacher 1st #183 171 sb56637 1st #184 172 NikolaS 1st #185 173 CheapThrills 1st #186 174 TheOnlyDocc 1st #187 175 HighCaliber 1st #189 176 e10sno 1st #190 177 DBSS 1st #191 178 thesciencenut 1st #192 179 jmpaul320 1st #194 180 vol 1st #195 181 nfetterly 1st #196 182 niktak11 1st #197 183 goshdogit 1st #198 184 abril 1st #200 185 Vattern 1st #201 186 treysoucie 1st #202 187 Martini 1st #203 188 Sirius9 1st #204 189 Jesjes 1st #205 190 papaslightsaber 1st #206 191 Couchmaster 1st #207 192 Docp723 1st #208 193 Kentuckywindage 1st #210 194 kotobuki 1st #211 195 NuggetMcNugget 1st #212 196 adirondackdestroyer 1st #213 197 spkzzz 1st #214 198 drood 1st #216 199 bossf350 1st #217 200 Cliwilnew 1st #218 201 LEDtec 1st #219 202 CJW 1st #220 203 deathless 1st #221 204 WillyD 1st #222 205 jack-bkk 1st #223 206 pooptoast 1st #224 207 LloydV 1st #225 208 FBsLights 1st #226 209 Norddeutscher 1st #227 210 slickpenguin 1st #229 211 Dralf 1st #230 212 jmoots 1st #232 213 downlinx 1st #233 214 Sukoi 1st #234 215 mizou51 1st #235 216 sgt253 1st #236 217 Buzzing Bulb 1st #237 218 enesrap ? 1st #238 219 BeardedRaleigh 1st #239 220 Kulumatic 1st #240 221 zeroair 1st #241 222 JaredM 1st #242 223 battletross 1st #243 224 plaidshorts 1st #244 225 Nortson 1st #245 226 The_Driver 1st #246 227 Northwoods 1st #247 228 thslw8jg 1st #248 229 Rusty Joe 1st #249 230 knudsengj 1st #250 231 alex1234 1st #251 232 needmorlts 1st #252 233 MagPap 1st #253 234 Mindaugass 1st #254 235 light junkie 1st #255 236 Angel Martínez 1st #256 237 DarthTader 1st #257 238 dhsvcs 1st #258 239 praveendk 1st #259 240 shirnask 1st #260 241 Masejoer 1st #261 242 Ragsy 1st #263 243 666fixed 1st #264 244 264 1st #265 245 Ricflair 1st #267 246 iron potato 1st #268 247 kntx 1st #269 248 DasEtwas 1st #270 249 Dustynell 1st #271 250 jkbam 1st #272 251 Shadowfax 1st #273 252 specialk 1st #274 253 Icarus 1st #275 254 Lights-Out 1st #276 255 MaleNurse 1st #278 256 bd52 1st #279 257 Abe87 1st #280 258 osb40000 1st #281 259 yclongthrow 1st #284 260 scdaf 1st #285 261 Jvrthp321 1st #286 262 Bill_tong 1st #287 263 juaquin 1st #288 264 jama 1st #289 265 slackwolf 1st #290 266 noob 1st #292 267 FlashMax 1st #293 268 Frankie Baby 1st #294 269 kaybi 1st #295 270 vestureofblood 1st #296 271 smokuxx1987 1st #297 272 Jimmy007 1st #298 273 jerrod 1st #299 274 amplificus 1st #300 275 DarkerInSol 1st #301 276 thommy 1st #303 277 Majoroverkill 1st #304 278 Jaza 1st #305 279 rag 1st #307 280 aremihc 1st #308 281 Fredylee 1st #309 282 twodollarbill 1st #310 283 PrinceValorum 1st #311 284 steel_1024 1st #312 285 atbglenn 1st #313 286 magnet 1st #314 287 jscan 1st #315 288 LessDark 1st #316 289 Roberrt777 1st #317 290 Minimoke 1st #318 291 tru3s1lv3r 1st #319 292 NightLight 1st #320 293 shrick 1st #321 294 eric800 1st #323 295 TNT 1st #324 296 gloomywarfreak 1st #325 297 Saigon 1st #326 298 carmantl 1st #327 299 san san 1st #328 300 BanglaBob 1st #329 301 saabluster 1st #330 302 moridin 1st #332 303 whooda4 1st #333 304 yasenf 1st #334 305 R.D. 1st #335 306 Schkü 1st #336 307 Van 1st #337 308 marsalla 1st #338 309 itsonlyme 1st #339 310 gravelmonkey 1st #340 311 lightlight22 1st #342 312 Bupyc 1st #343 313 Mkduffer 1st #344 314 thegameisrigged 1st #345 315 vamper 1st #346 316 BOMBAY 1st #347 317 KW 1st #349 318 Lopan 1st #350 319 firedome 1st #351 320 AirBreaker 1st #352 321 Eraursls1984 1st #353 322 jingleberry 1st #354 323 Mecallie 1st #357 324 cavorite 1st #358 325 foton 1st #359 326 JPLight 1st #360 327 borealis 1st #363 328 jaynick 1st #364 329 Shur 1st #365 330 Kourtinoksylo 1st #366 331 mrstealyourgains 1st #367 332 Jalben 1st #368 333 james y 1st #369 334 Sullysat 1st #370 335 Joey Adams 1st #371 336 j0sh 1st #374 337 FreeMagenta 1st #375 338 zeremefico 1st #376 339 deye223 1st #377 340 richnpc 1st #378 341 turboBB 1st #379 342 nodoubt 1st #380 343 korpzgrinda 1st #381 344 famous36 1st #382 345 Eggun 1st #384 346 Speed4goal 1st #385 347 ARsee 1st #386 348 Zeratull 1st #387 349 blueb8llz 1st #389 350 Umpi2000 1st #392 351 bkling 1st #393 352 zipelgas 1st #395 353 tatasal 1st #397 354 trume_3454 1st #398 355 igeigeige 1st #399 356 Ronen98 1st #401 357 wkhchin81 1st #402 358 gigbyt 1st #403 359 Petroleum Lantern Guy 1st #404 360 AdrianWA 1st #405 361 Flash-O-Maniac 1st #406 362 fuzun 1st #407 363 xray291 1st #408 364 ilovejesuschrist 1st #409 365 greg 1st #410 366 octav 1st #411 367 keengeorge 1st #412 368 Yourrid 1st #414 369 turpulator 1st #417 370 BT100 1st #418 371 viper1138 1st #419 372 joseabul 1st #420 373 romanus 1st #421 374 Rick 1st #422 375 DOCFAR 1st #425 376 pepinfaxera 1st #426 377 Kafar 1st #429 378 Miguel_79 1st #430 379 mk4off 1st #431 380 KaiserSosa 1st #432 381 Ilellero 1st #433 382 Silent_Star 1st #434 383 southcovekayak 1st #435 384 Bo4ka 1st #436 385 Keisari 1st #437 386 Jensa41 1st #438 387 piotrek966 1st #439 388 Slayer1 1st #442 389 nofear87 1st #443 390 clinicdoc 1st #444 391 samsung913 1st #445 392 Pulsar 1st #446 393 lichtpfadfinder 1st #447 394 cypher1024 1st #449 395 shooterschmidty 1st #450 396 solRNY 1st #452 397 Lowtech 1st #453 398 gehrmo 1st #455 399 oto 1st #456 400 I_like_lamb 1st #457 401 Jerommel 1st #458 402 Stoneface 1st #459 403 scotlarock 1st #460 404 BobbyMK 1st #463 405 Buzzy243 1st #464 406 djozz 1st #465 407 michael.k 1st #466 408 BDM 1st #467 409 BorisBar 1st #468 410 ARMS.AARON 1st #470 411 CrashOne 1st #471 412 sp5it 1st #472 413 olivedrab 1st #474 414 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125 Wrathbringer27 56 WuTang 543 X0R 508 Xandre 22 xCentrino 479 xray291 408 xtrosity 542 xxx 574 yasenf 334 yclongthrow 284 YoFlash 137 Yourrid 414 415 zachary6227 511 zelee 80 Zeratull 387 zeremefico 376 zeroair 241 zipelgas 395 zoysiamo 512 ZozzV6 78 It is done when it is done Lithium Ion safety 101 important read Sorry grammarlovers, I am a real King Typo. The Miller Online Last seen: 8 min 27 sec ago Joined: 12/14/2015 - 12:08 Posts: 7516 Location: Charente France reserved for outside design Traditional flashlight shape decided via poll. PIC with sizes, just take a ruler and try to get a grasp on the size ot it . . POLL OPTIONS when posted it will be just named “design X: without names. tonight this will be the choices I enter in the poll, if anybody wants to add certain choices, please let me know. Fritz . Thijsco square . Thijsco rounded . 5ar . Jerommel . Mortyduck . . . . . —————-designs so far newest first . . . . . . . . . . Jerommel designed a light with the emphasis on inner workings and focus of the big reflector: Older design of Jerommel: . . Start designs Texas Ace traditional “plunger” light: . . Thijsco19 Super simple design. 130 mm head. 50 mm battery tube (4s2p setup) . . Polled out yet too cool to remove from the progress record: Djozz surprised with a real out of the box designthat has to be used in anther project It is done when it is done Lithium Ion safety 101 important read Sorry grammarlovers, I am a real King Typo. The Miller Online Last seen: 8 min 27 sec ago Joined: 12/14/2015 - 12:08 Posts: 7516 Location: Charente France reserved now used for reflector MortyDuck wrote: I did some research about the perfect parabola on my own, and it seem that we are just a little bit of in our measures.. I came in contact whit Bob from a math forum, and we discussed the parabolic equation, and this is the tread: http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=23575 When the diameter is 120mm the depth for a perfect parabolic diagram is 92,63mm (rounded upwards to 93mm for simplicity), not 112mm taken from an upscaled TN42 design.. Maybe it can give us an edge? Morten. Quote: Almost 20mm shorter head Less weight Less material head Less material reflector Sounds more then interesting I think. MortyDuck wrote: That was easy: Shenzhen Bo Rui Seiko Technology Co., Ltd Koenta wrote: This is the graph for XHP35 HI Enderman wrote: Ok guys so I have done some calculations trying to figure out exactly how the dimensions of the reflector would work. This isn’t a ray trace and it will not show how one reflector might perform better than another (based on size of LED and distance from LED to reflector curface) But what it can do is show you how tall or wide you might want your reflector, and the distance from the LED to the closest point on the reflector (making this bigger will reduce corona around the hotspot for a more collimated beam) Here are the equations you can input to desmos calculator (you can copy paste these right in, one box each): https://www.desmos.com/calculator y=s\cdot x^2-\frac{.25}{s} y=-x-\frac{.5}{s} y=x-\frac{.5}{s} s=0.03 (for this one you will want to click the number at the end of the slider and set it to 0 <= s <= 0.2 step=0.005) y=0 -60 < x < 60 (diameter that you want your reflector to be, in this case 120mm) (you can also just do lines like in the image if you want to see better) Now what you can do is move the S slider back and forth to change the size of the reflector. You will see that the reflector is sitting slightly below y=0, this is because the LED will be centered at (0,0) and anything below y=0 will not be used at all by the LED, since the LED cannot project light behind it. Changing S will adjust the shape to be deeper or shallower, and you can see the height of the reflector is from y=0 to the point where the parabola intersects the vertical X lines we put in. ——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————- In the screenshot I took, the reflector is 100mm deep, 120mm diameter, and it has almost 34mm opening at the bottom. Green and blue lines are unnecessary but they show that the 45 degree tangent is always on the line y=0, so no matter how big or small your make your reflector it will always be focused at the LED at 0,0. Getting the height is really easy then, since you start at y=0 and measure upwards. ——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————- Another way you can use this set of equations is by setting y=the height you want your reflector to be, and adjust S to see the diameter (where the parabola intersects the y line) and that will show you the shpae of the reflector, how much of it is being used, etc. Remember the part of the parabola below y=0 will never be used for reflecting light, so it is just dead space. Hopefully this helps someone design their own reflector or something lampyris wrote: Regarding the manufacturer of the lovely IM reflector, could it be Nata? A bit of detective work led me to this idea: The smaller xml10 reflector Here is exactly the same as the Cutter xml10r Here The manufacturer is listed as Nata on the Cutter site and the image is the same on both IM and Cutter pages. Might be worth someone with the language skills that I lack contacting Nata? Hope this helps ImA4Wheelr wrote: CST90 (Inner diameter 117mm, Outer 128mm). Minimum order quantity, 100. Just need to get them to not cut out the base like above. ImA4Wheelr wrote: So it turns out the IM reflector I have mentions is manufactured in China. I got the following response from IM: “We are willing to do optical ray tracing analysis on other LED options on the 100-1332 reflector. It is a specular, ultra bright finish, (no facets or flutes). Attached is a sketch of the dimensions and interface. Please send to me a drawing of the LED/reflector interface you are looking for. After agreement on the modification requested we can then quote to you min order, price and lead time. Lead time would be 6 weeks and if we can receive the order this week we could deliver before new year. Yes, reflectors are manufactured by a medical surgery light optical manufacturer in China. We have an NDA in place and orders direct to the manufacturer would not be possible as we own and produce the designs. They use a Swiss M&M machine and can produce parts direct from 3D solid CAD files. Initial parts would be C02 laser cut, before we acquire a die for the production run. “ I told IM that we are early in the Scoping/Designing phase and needed to know what the expected cd/lm would be with an XP-L Hi sized emitter. I realize we will probably got with XHP-35 Hi, but it will be a reference point. I feel further communication with IM should be handled by someone that is experienced in this type of stuff. Maybe the manufacture?. If The Miller feels someone from BLF should work with IM, I will be happy to hand off to that person and introduce them to IM. lawallac wrote: Has anyone experience purchasing from Phoenix? http://www.phoenixelectroforms.com/index.html Electoformed reflectors are pretty high end but who knows. They have some promising looking stuff. Someone needs to get with them and see what they can offer. It is done when it is done Lithium Ion safety 101 important read Sorry grammarlovers, I am a real King Typo. Mitko Offline Last seen: 18 hours 4 min ago Joined: 09/19/2014 - 05:20 Posts: 1446 Location: Bulgaria Nice! Was about time though And ofc i am interested XHP35Hi high CRI vs a good W2/3…especialy since it would be a long term project…aint sure about that, especialy with those new coming xpl2 and future xpl2 hi in a 94mm the picture under so-so reflector a dded V5 deals nearly 650k cds at 5 amps I have still to dismantle the TN42 to test it out with a nice w2 Flashy Mike Offline Last seen: 1 week 14 hours ago Joined: 01/14/2016 - 16:38 Posts: 543 Location: Germany Nice idea! But 8 cells? 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I’m ok with 8 cells, but it better be one hell of a thrower!
You guys planning on cracking the 1Mcd with that 12 cm reflector?

If the price is decent…I’m in!

Cheers
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Great !

I think too 8 cells are a lot . 4 are ok

Also , count me in too , for any help the team needs .

Edit : Please don’t start an interest list , it will turn into chaos with the expected results

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High CRI!
Count me in.

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Dang dude, you are really pushing the limits here. Two custom and unusual light projects at the same time! Heck yeah, I am in!

Keep this up and make the work… you will generate some real BLF envy.

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I am in

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Im in this one as well!

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The debate is lumen vs throw. It will be a big light so will we be happy with a 1400 lumen XP-L HI and try to hit 1Mcd?, or will we settle for 700kcd with a 2000+ lumen XHP35?, or go 4000 lumen / 300kcd with a XHP70? (numbers are a very fast guess)

My first feeling is that in a light this big I expect more than 2000 lumen, even though that implies that maximum throw for the reflector will not be reached.

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I’m in for a couple high quality hosts IF you can get them made first, before the multitude of requests and idea’s and other BS start’s flowing in, I have the drivers, boards and LED’s already.

It can’t be that hard just copy the TN42 with a bigger reflector and keep the carrier 4S, easy peasy, then just slap BLF on the side? If you have too?

Let the games begin!

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I need to blind my neighbors a half mile across the lake. I’m in

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Christmas 2017?

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Oh yeah, I’m in! Shine on.

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Wow, I am in. Depending on price.

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djozz wrote:
The debate is lumen vs throw. It will be a big light so will we be happy with a 1400 lumen XP-L HI and try to hit 1Mcd?, or will we settle for 700kcd with a 2000+ lumen XHP35?, or go 4000 lumen / 300kcd with a XHP70? (numbers are a very fast guess)

My first feeling is that in a light this big I expect more than 2000 lumen, even though that implies that maximum throw for the reflector will not be reached.

+1

It is usually a compromise between lumens and lux. One direction to go is multiple reflectors/emitters, like a bigger TM16GT. This way one can get lumens and lux as long as the separate reflectors make good use of the available area and are driven well.

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Too much unsure so I will start keeping the interest list later down the path
For now just think along

Basic ways the same as the Q8:
Designs open source
No money/profit for the team, just the fun of doing it
Open about and for as much as possible

It is done when it is done

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I’m in for sure, make sure there is a good copper heat sink in there somewhere.

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Interested.

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Cool!

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I’m interested too…but…where does it end, lol? Instead of starting with a 120mm reflector why not a 160mm? It’s best to start big instead of small due to the fact that newer, bigger, and better will be out before you know it. It’ll take a little longer for a manufacturer to best it if you build it big. The Eagletac M25C2 Turbo that I modded with a fet and dedomed XM-L2 U4 1A has a 92mm reflector and does 636,763cd. My wife calls it the plunger because the head is so much bigger than the body but it throws like crazy. I’d still like to be able to hold the light with one hand though, so 160mm may be out of the question…unless a handle is added…

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CST90 (Inner diameter 117mm, Outer 128mm).  Minimum order quantity, 100.

Just need to get them to not cut out the base like above.

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I’m in!

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Would prefer 4 cells instead of 8 (in fact not interested at all if 8 cells). Go for max lux over lumens (plenty of flooders or compromise beam lights around).

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ImA4Wheelr wrote:

CST90 (Inner diameter 117mm, Outer 128mm).  Minimum order quantity, 100.

Just need to get them to not cut out the base like above.

Is it not too deep? It’s just a question…I’m not into the whole measuring the angle of the beam thing…it just looks really deep to me. I guess that would product more of a spot?…than spill?