[PART 1] Official BLF GT Group Buy thread. Group buy officially closed! Lights shipping.

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Good deed, J0sh. That’s telling them. Whoever it is/was causes a lot of issues behind the scene here.


IIRC, I remember reading of this happening in other sales here. People that share stuff like that have no morals at all


Get out the chastise canes!!


I’ve been waiting 10 months for this and then see him send me the same link I got in PM is bs…
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Since orders are getting cancelled due to the information leaking the way it has, can I be added to the list? For a 3rd GT Big Smile

My saying this is jokingly, but if I can get a legit/guaranteed spot on the list to buy another one, then count me in for real.

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So easy for stuff to get buried here, I’ll repost so it can be seen….

Comparison, GT with CW XHP-35 vs. GT with WW XHP-35, very cloudy night, light sprinkle coming down….64ºF with 75% humidity. Water tower is (still) 1.9 miles away. This time I set the 2 second timer on the camera and held the light about 8’ away to the right of the camera so the beam shot isn’t looking down the beam of light.

Base shot, (all 3 shots are with the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS lens at 200mm, ISO1600, f/4.0, 0.5 sec in manual focus from the 5D MkIV, Med Jpg SOOC)

CW

WW

I have 8 matched LG M25 18650 cells with solder blobs, I used one carrier from my light with the rear 4 in the WW GT, used the empty WW carriers in the rear of each light. So each light is running on 4 matched LG M25 cells.

Thanks Dale. Looks to me like the middle picture (CW) wins the light on target race.

Nice pictures……. Smile

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j0sh wrote:
ARsee wrote:

Good deed, J0sh. That’s telling them. Whoever it is/was causes a lot of issues behind the scene here.


IIRC, I remember reading of this happening in other sales here. People that share stuff like that have no morals at all


Get out the chastise canes!!

I’ve been waiting 10 months for this and then see him send me the same link I got in PM is bs…

I knew he was doing something shady, but I never pm’d him because I already have my light. I thought maybe he had registered for several extra lights and was selling at a high markup or something until you posted what he was actually doing.

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I was trying to point out the other day about possibility of uncontrolled ordering from people registered here in December.

Unfair, totally unfair

I am so close to the F word right now…

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The fact you already have your GT, and you thought them to be doing something shady, should have clued you in, what to do. But you did not. Wow.

That comment would get multiple clicks of the "dislike" button from me

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DB Customs images: CW mouse out, WW mouse over:

Sorry for the size, no easy way to resize them here, just scroll the page to the left a bit…

 

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It only effects run time. This is a buck driver, it take the 16.8 volts and regulates it to a steady lower voltage (13 something volts, I can’t remember the exact number). So as long as the batteries stay above that specific voltage, the driver stays “in regulation” and it can deliver max power.

Once the batteries drop down in voltage (below 3.5v ?) it drops out of regulation and can not produce full power any longer so the output slowly declines.

4 30Q cells gave 45 minutes of regulated power at 2A then another 45 minutes of reduced power before the lvp kicked in. So 8 cells should double those numbers.

Maybe someone can chime in with the exact voltage this drivers drops out if regulation at.

Thanks, that’s plenty of fun ahead anyway. I’m not going on any search and rescue night op any time soon – hopefully. Wink


Yes, running the light with 4 good cells will only make it work at full power for a shorter time, but it will reach its full potential. How many volts it exactly needs to stay in the full regulated output will even vary between examples, mostly due to variation between individual LEDs’ Uf and to a lesser extent on minor differences between losses in any individual circuit. Battery type, condition and state of charge will make more difference in regulated runtime than any of those.

As Texas Ace mentioned, it is possible to run the light with 4 good cells and 4 low performance cells, a practice that can not be officially recommended due to a common tendency to misunderstand, but will work. This will be almost the same as having the carriers fully loaded with good cells and superior compared to making use of four cells only.

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ARsee wrote:

The fact you already have your GT, and you thought them to be doing something shady, should have clued you in, what to do. But you did not. Wow.


That comment would get multiple clicks of the “dislike” button from me

I pm’d TexasAce the screenshot of the conversation that was posted earlier in this thread. I was talking to Thomas in the facebook group trying to figure out what was going on when Josh posted exactly what was going on. I’m sorry I didn’t live up to your lofty expectations.

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Sorry for the size, no easy way to resize them here, just scroll the page to the left a bit…

just try to resize before upload to tinypic

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He’s an older man, already has his GT, trying to help people get on the list… at the back of the line. He screwed up for sure, but I do not believe it was malicious.

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srwaite wrote:
ARsee wrote:

The fact you already have your GT, and you thought them to be doing something shady, should have clued you in, what to do. But you did not. Wow.

That comment would get multiple clicks of the "dislike" button from me

I pm'd TexasAce the screenshot of the conversation that was posted earlier in this thread. I was talking to Thomas in the facebook group trying to figure out what was going on when Josh posted exactly what was going on. I'm sorry I didn't live up to your lofty expectations.

Acquaintances a many!

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Ok, everyone. No need to go ballistic here.

Yes, it was very rude and completely against the rules to release the link (no matter what he claims, he did NOT have permission to post that anywhere).

Yes, it is causing a lot of extra work for the unpaid team to cancel orders, make new order pages and all the work associated with this.

No, you should not go on a witch hunt. There is only one person that is in the wrong here (well, those that requested and used the link he sent can be argued but a lot of them think there is no problem, so don’t go after them, their orders will be canceled).

Even Thomas does not deserve to be hunted. He may not be on my Christmas card list at this point but what is done is done.

He has already got his GT. So lets just put him behind us and move forward.

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wimmer2121 wrote:
He’s an older man, already has his GT, trying to help people get on the list… at the back of the line. He screwed up for sure, but I do not believe it was malicious.

malicious, no, maybe not directly.

It could not be clearer in the PM that the link is not to be shared though and that exactly what is happening here, would happen.

Yet he still claimed he had “permission” to post the information. That is what bothers me more then anything.

I figured the link would be shared at some point but also hoped that it would be an innocent mistake that would be easily corrected without all this work of halting the GB. Where the person would simply say, sorry, my bad, and remove any links.

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Within a few sec of turn on.

After running about 2 or 3 min.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
wimmer2121 wrote:
He’s an older man, already has his GT, trying to help people get on the list… at the back of the line. He screwed up for sure, but I do not believe it was malicious.

malicious, no, maybe not directly.

It could not be clearer in the PM that the link is not to be shared though and that exactly what is happening here, would happen.

Yet he still claimed he had “permission” to post the information. That is what bothers me more then anything.

I figured the link would be shared at some point but also hoped that it would be an innocent mistake that would be easily corrected without all this work of halting the GB. Where the person would simply say, sorry, my bad, and remove any links.

I’m guessing the permission he keeps referring to is from the FB group… I just don’t believe he understands what he’s actually done here. But yes, your “Do not share this link” certainly should have been enough.

I’m really sorry this incident is going to cause more work for you guys… Y’all have been amazing. Thank you all!

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Within a few sec of turn on.

After running about 2 or 3 min.

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Thanks for the cool IR pics, that is pretty much what we felt by hand, it is nice to see it visualized.

It is amazing how much faster the xhp70.2 heats up when playing with them side by side.

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DO NOT SHARE THIS LINK OR PASSWORD! Do not post it anywhere, send it to anyone or otherwise let it get out.

If the link did get out, it would cause massive delays for everyone as we sorted through the orders to find who actually sent the down-payment and who did not and canceled their orders.


Can’t be more clear than this…

Anyhow, it’s Monday 10:23 AM in China now, whoos lights are they shipping today Big Smile

 

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DB Custom wrote:
Comparison, GT with CW XHP-35 vs. GT with WW XHP-35, very cloudy night, light sprinkle coming down….64ºF with 75% humidity. Water tower is (still) 1.9 miles away. This time I set the 2 second timer on the camera and held the light about 8’ away to the right of the camera so the beam shot isn’t looking down the beam of light.

Base shot, (all 3 shots are with the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS lens at 200mm, ISO1600, f/4.0, 0.5 sec in manual focus from the 5D MkIV, Med Jpg SOOC)

CW

WW

I have 8 matched LG M25 18650 cells with solder blobs, I used one carrier from my light with the rear 4 in the WW GT, used the empty WW carriers in the rear of each light. So each light is running on 4 matched LG M25 cells.


Great effort and beamshots.

But I don’t understand why you want to say it is Warm White for stock light although it is Neutral White. You could be misleading newbies on this. Or your stock light has wrong LED in it? But the beamshot doesn’t look like 3000k color temperature to me.

cool i'll see you when you get there

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wimmer2121 wrote:
He’s an older man, already has his GT, trying to help people get on the list… at the back of the line. He screwed up for sure, but I do not believe it was malicious.

His attitude as seen in the screenshot is quite malicious. Displays dark triad traits.

This personality type also engages in illegal activity of the kind that violates personal rights of other people. But don’t mail the bastard any nasty surprises, including and not limited to human feces. An all out Internet Vendetta is a lame response to someone just being a moron and a loser. Trolls and lame uncles should mostly be ignored. The justice system will get to these individuals and most likely has on several occasions. This… example can not have a clean record.

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BVH wrote:
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I’ll try this again. I think it got lost with all the posts on “LED color”
JasonWW wrote:
BVH wrote:
I know I read this quite a while ago but is everyone in the first 1500 getting one light before those that bought 2 get their second? And then everyone who bought two, gets their second before those that bought 3, get their third. And so on and so on?
No, only the first 555 got single lights due to the special low price. Then from 555 and up you can get your 2nd, 3rd, etc…

Jason, Just want to be sure I understand what you said above. Are you saying that those who ordered multiple lights at the same time and are above #555 would theoretically get all the lights they ordered at the same time (sequentially) in the same shipment?

Based on that, I am 818, 819 and 886. One batteryless light arrived yesterday. Should I have maybe got two – the 818 and 819 yesterday instead of 1? And maybe the third, 886 is waiting on the reflector backlog? Seems kind of strange if multiple orders after List #555 are supposed to ship at the same time. This coupled with the light arriving in only the inner box (no outer box) gets me to thinking that maybe something has happened to the rest of my shipment in transition from DHL to USPS?

Would each light have a separate tracking number?

I got a solid black switch boot. Is there anything set up yet to ask for a translucent replacement?


I will try and explain why you got one light when you paid for 3, 1 with no cells and 2 with cells).

The first shipment was lights with no batteries to usa for people up to 576th (as far as I have determined) on the paid list. So Neal went by paid order until he filled a pallet.

Now you were the 528th person to pay. That means your one light with no batteries got shipped on Dec 27th.

Your other 2 lights (with batteries) did not ship then. When Neal started filling the second pallet he went up to the 740th person who paid. This still includes you. These lights shipped on Jan 3rd.

So they are probably in transit to you right now. I can’t say for sure, but I think so. You can call dhl and ask if they are in route.

I don’t know if they are shipped as one box or two seperate boxes.

You can PM TA about the switch cover. I think they will send you a new, translucent one so the light can be seen.

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Keisari wrote:
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He’s an older man, already has his GT, trying to help people get on the list… at the back of the line. He screwed up for sure, but I do not believe it was malicious.

His attitude as seen in the screenshot is quite malicious. Displays dark triad traits.

This personality type also engages in illegal activity of the kind that violates personal rights of other people.

Lets not go here, no personal attacks. Lets take the high road here.

Stating how disappointed you are that one of the BLF family would break trust like this is one thing but don’t get personal.

Trust me, I know the temptation is there but it will not do any good.

Lets just use this as an example and try to keep this from happening again.

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Lets not go here, no personal attacks as much as we may want to. Lets take the high road here.

Stating how disappointed you are that one of the BLF family would break trust like this is one thing but don’t get personal.


Oh, my point exactly. Just stating it’s not worth it to search revenge on the evil doers.
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DB Custom wrote:
So easy for stuff to get buried here, I’ll repost so it can be seen….

Comparison, GT with CW XHP-35 vs. GT with WW XHP-35, very cloudy night, light sprinkle coming down….64ºF with 75% humidity. Water tower is (still) 1.9 miles away. This time I set the 2 second timer on the camera and held the light about 8’ away to the right of the camera so the beam shot isn’t looking down the beam of light.


Was this a typo when you said WW or did you buy a WW emitter and install it?

I thought you were going to compare the stock NW 4000k to the CW.

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Keisari wrote:
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Lets not go here, no personal attacks as much as we may want to. Lets take the high road here.

Stating how disappointed you are that one of the BLF family would break trust like this is one thing but don’t get personal.


Oh, my point exactly. Just stating it’s not worth it to search revenge on the evil doers.

Ok, I was hoping that was where you were going.

Just wanted to make it clear my stance on the subject before I turn in for the night.

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Sirius9 wrote:

Sorry for the size, no easy way to resize them here, just scroll the page to the left a bit…

On a 4K monitor it’s just half the width; barely over 30% of the screen space. Big Smile
Think I prefer the 4000k tint myself. Should have mine tomorrow, so can see for myself how it looks.

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How’s about contacting Neal pronto and letting him know what is going on? Seems to me that this should have been thought of a long time ago and that “NO” GT flashlights should ship out “Unless the BLF usernames matched with proof of those users being on the main list!”

I mean it’s really not that complicated to get a PM from Neal or whoever with Lumintop to respond back to their PM’s and prove that your account is genuine! No lights shipped out unless everything matches up! Wink

Am I missing something here?

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JasonWW wrote:
DB Custom wrote:
So easy for stuff to get buried here, I’ll repost so it can be seen….

Comparison, GT with CW XHP-35 vs. GT with WW XHP-35, very cloudy night, light sprinkle coming down….64ºF with 75% humidity. Water tower is (still) 1.9 miles away. This time I set the 2 second timer on the camera and held the light about 8’ away to the right of the camera so the beam shot isn’t looking down the beam of light.


Was this a typo when you said WW or did you buy a WW emitter and install it?

I thought you were going to compare the stock NW 4000k to the CW.

Thanks Jason! You beat me to asking the same thing!!! Thumbs Up

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