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White color looks good as Manker white. Just B35AM in the middle and SST20’s around.

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This is what I have been waiting for! Very very cool!

Is there any possibility of an alternate body tube? Perhaps 26800 with less aggressive knurling?

I don’t think we need to push to support some obscure battery size that’s not in stock anywhere and no chargers support.

The market seems to disagree. So far I count 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 on Reddit so far asking for a different battery tube, and most are about 26800.


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Why did you make your own thread with no new information after someone already posted about the DM1.12 on r/flashlight?

Great question! Just to save people some clicks. The first guy just posted a link to BLF and didn’t include the photos Hank posted here.

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Do you plan to use this anodization on the DM11?
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tactical_grizzly wrote:
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This is what I have been waiting for! Very very cool!

Is there any possibility of an alternate body tube? Perhaps 26800 with less aggressive knurling?

I don’t think we need to push to support some obscure battery size that’s not in stock anywhere and no chargers support.

The market seems to disagree.

As far as charging, I think K1-style charging built into the threads of the tube would be incredible.

Would it be correct to assume that you haven’t used a QB 26800 cell yet, Lixivium? Those of us that tried them out with the Astrolux tubes and Convoy adapters have been pretty impressed with the cells. I think it’s well worth supporting. Yes, the charger situation is limited right now (diy adapter, unit hacks on bay chargers, or magnetic universals (slow) but I have hope that Xtar may follow through with one soon as they seemed sincere about asking for input recently. Onboard charging works well with lights that have it. Personally I’d hate the type of charging ports that TG mentioned, but that’s another potential. I can’t speak for the couple of blue and green wrapped cells I’ve seen but the Queen Battery gold is…well, it’s golden. Very nice cells that have great current delivery and great capacity – very pleasant improvement over the better quality 26650 cells. In the US we have a couple suppliers, one of them seems to do well keeping them in stock and has a great price on them. Seems scarce in other places and trying to buy directly from them on aliexpress is too expensive with their higher MOQ. With more lights being introduced that accept or can adapt to the longer cell, maybe we’ll see some distributors and retailers start to stock the QB cells in more places. My only concern is whether the cells will continue to be produced in the long term future, and whether QB will keep the same quality and consistency with them…but they’re great enough right now that it seemed worth the small investment to give them a shot, and I’m glad I did, as are others.

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I think 26800 support is still quite a gamble. We know of one good model from an unknown manufacturer. We have no idea if any major manufacturer will support the form factor and if Queen Battery (the reseller) will continue to order more. In comparison, 26650 have several decent OEMs and 18650/21700 have well over a dozen.

26800 batteries have 75% more volume than 21700s and the 6800 capacity is actually nothing exceptional for the volume.

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I think 26800 support is still quite a gamble. We know of one good model from an unknown manufacturer. We have no idea if any major manufacturer will support the form factor and if Queen Battery (the reseller) will continue to order more. In comparison, 26650 have several decent OEMs and 18650/21700 have well over a dozen.

26800 batteries have 75% more volume than 21700s and the 6800 capacity is actually nothing exceptional for the volume.

I thought Queen Battery was the manufacturer. If not, the cell name is a little misleading.

For what it’s worth, all three of mine have actually measured in the 7200-7400mah range. Mooch got similar results.

The ergonomics are even more important than the capacity for me. That extra 15mm length over a 26650, and the extra 5mm diameter and 10mm length over a 21700 make a big difference in-hand.

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Personally I’d hate the type of charging ports that TG mentioned

What integrated charging solution would you prefer to see implimented?

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In the US we have a couple suppliers, one of them seems to do well keeping them in stock and has a great price on them.

Indeed! Aloft Hobbies got them back in stock two days ago for $5.75 each. They promptly sold out in about 8 hours and by that time the price had risen to $8 each. Clearly there is substantial demand for these. I hope some of the bigger li-ion stores like Illumn, 18650batterystore, Li-ion Wholesale, and IMRBatteries will take notice of this and start stocking these awesome cells.

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Aesthetically beautiful, I look forward to knowing what LED options will be available.

Happy New Year Hank!

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Personally I’d love to see a side by side 2× 21700 format over a 26800, I remember handling the old 2× 18650 Fenix TK35 and loving how it felt in the hand

26800 might as well be proprietary for me, with just a handful of lights with 26800 tubes and one main manufacturer of the battery with uncertain availability in the future (as opposed to 18650 or 21700 from the major manufacturers)

Adding K1 style charging and a tailcap magnet would probably get you the extra 10mm length you’re looking for. I imagine machining costs would be higher than a cylindrical tube though.

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DM1.12 !https://www.noctigon.com/image/catalog/DM1.12/20220121120524.png!

Looks amazing, especially in white! I agree this is what the K9.3 should have been, this looks like an excellent multi-use design.

Hank do you plan to add a lanyard hole to that tailcap design?

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LuxWad wrote:
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DM1.12 !https://www.noctigon.com/image/catalog/DM1.12/20220121120524.png!

Looks amazing, especially in white! I agree this is what the K9.3 should have been, this looks like an excellent multi-use design.

Hank do you plan to add a lanyard hole to that tailcap design?

Big Smile I have tried to order all my D4V2 without the hole, to no avail! Haha! Can’t make everybody perfectly pleased I guess.

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Why did you make your own thread with no new information after someone already posted about the DM1.12 on r/flashlight?

Great question! Just to save people some clicks. The first guy just posted a link to BLF and didn’t include the photos Hank posted here.

Are you sure it’s not because you like to reference your posts and their ‘engagement metrics’ as reasons why companies should send you free lights to review? Can’t let some nobody sop up all your rightful engagement.

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I’m another vote for 26800. I just want this light to be as well balanced in the hand as the d4sv2. My k9.3 is forward heavy. USB charging is important, the k1/k9.3 implementation is perfect. It would be great if multiple tube types were available for the model so that multiple customer groups could get what they want.

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I’m another vote for 26800. I just want this light to be as well balanced in the hand as the d4sv2. My k9.3 is forward heavy. USB charging is important, the k1/k9.3 implementation is perfect. It would be great if multiple tube types were available for the model so that multiple customer groups could get what they want.

Plus one for this!

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Are you sure it’s not because you like to reference your posts and their ‘engagement metrics’ as reasons why companies should send you free lights to review? Can’t let some nobody sop up all your rightful engagement.

I believe Grizz buys his own lights actually…

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Are you sure it’s not because you like to reference your posts and their ‘engagement metrics’ as reasons why companies should send you free lights to review? Can’t let some nobody sop up all your rightful engagement.

I believe Grizz buys his own lights actually…

I buy most but I do get some for free or for a discount from manufacturers in exchange for doing honest reviews.

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Another vote for 26800 here, maybe include a 21700 adapter or even offer it in both tube sizes.

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Lixivium wrote:
tactical_grizzly wrote:
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Why did you make your own thread with no new information after someone already posted about the DM1.12 on r/flashlight?

Great question! Just to save people some clicks. The first guy just posted a link to BLF and didn’t include the photos Hank posted here.

Are you sure it’s not because you like to reference your posts and their ‘engagement metrics’ as reasons why companies should send you free lights to review? Can’t let some nobody sop up all your rightful engagement.

Lol instead of trying to make snarky comments about things you know nothing about… ANYONE can start reviewing flashlights if you have some skill and hustle. Try putting all that that negative energy into something positive!

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tactical_grizzly wrote:
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Lixivium wrote:
Are you sure it’s not because you like to reference your posts and their ‘engagement metrics’ as reasons why companies should send you free lights to review? Can’t let some nobody sop up all your rightful engagement.

I believe Grizz buys his own lights actually…

I buy most but I do get some for free or for a discount from manufacturers in exchange for doing honest reviews.

I know you mean well. That’s all! Smile

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Ain’t that more grey than white after all?

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Hank, love the design of the DM1.12, and hope that color (primer or not lol) sticks around, too!

 

I like the knurling of DM11, so my vote is to keep it.

 

As much as I like the QB26800 battery, until other, larger Manufacturers Like Samsung, Panasonic, or Murata pick it up and start manufacturing this size cell, then i dont see any reason to start basing flashlight hosts off of it.

 

I havent seen Mooch or HKJ mention any news of any of the Big 3 Manufacturers adopting the 26800 platform, and with the widespread use of 21700 cells in much larger markets like power tools and vehicles, i would be surprised if any of the Large Japanese (or new Chinese) manufacturers started making it. Like someone had said, the power  per volume seems low, although it still performs well, power density is probably at the top of the list for what platforms make the "manufacturing cut".

 

Has anyone heard news of larger manufactures potentially making the 26800 cell?

 

If not, then we are going to be experiencing Aloft Hobbies coming into stock every 2-3 months and selling out in 2 days for a long time. 

 

Maybe EVE or BAK, two promising new Chinese Mfg's will adopt it, given its rising popularity? 

 

until then, im sticking with 21700's.  

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Would still like Hank to produce to a narrower KR1 – a good FW1A alternative!

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As much as I like the QB26800 battery, until other, larger Manufacturers Like Samsung, Panasonic, or Murata pick it up and start manufacturing this size cell, then i dont see any reason to start basing flashlight hosts off of it.

It doesn’t need to be based around a 26800 cell, all we’re I’m asking for is a separately available alternate body tube and tailcap. That would suit the significant number of users who don’t like DM11’s knurling and/or want to use a larger battery. Hank has already demonstrated willingness to produce a separately available 26800 tube for D4SV2, so we are I am just hoping it’s a possibility for the DM series as well. This would not change your beloved 21700 cells or cheese grater knurling Big Smile

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Ain’t that more grey than white after all?

technically all white is grey Innocent

It looks very pretty either way. If it turns out to be a good light, I’ll be taking that very colour.

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tactical_grizzly wrote:
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As much as I like the QB26800 battery, until other, larger Manufacturers Like Samsung, Panasonic, or Murata pick it up and start manufacturing this size cell, then i dont see any reason to start basing flashlight hosts off of it.

It doesn’t need to be based around a 26800 cell, all we’re I’m asking for is a separately available alternate body tube and tailcap. That would suit the significant number of users who don’t like DM11’s knurling and/or want to use a larger battery. Hank has already demonstrated willingness to produce a separately available 26800 tube for D4SV2, so we are I am just hoping it’s a possibility for the DM series as well. This would not change your beloved 21700 cells or cheese grater knurling Big Smile

wait but hows that gonna work? it cant be compatible with both 21 and 26 tube sizes

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As much as I like the QB26800 battery, until other, larger Manufacturers Like Samsung, Panasonic, or Murata pick it up and start manufacturing this size cell, then i dont see any reason to start basing flashlight hosts off of it.

It doesn’t need to be based around a 26800 cell, all we’re I’m asking for is a separately available alternate body tube and tailcap. That would suit the significant number of users who don’t like DM11’s knurling and/or want to use a larger battery. Hank has already demonstrated willingness to produce a separately available 26800 tube for D4SV2, so we are I am just hoping it’s a possibility for the DM series as well. This would not change your beloved 21700 cells or cheese grater knurling Big Smile

wait but hows that gonna work? it cant be compatible with both 21 and 26 tube sizes

Easy. It will use 21 threads and after that fatty tube. Also spacer between battery and light so it will be looong. Big Smile

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wait but hows that gonna work? it cant be compatible with both 21 and 26 tube sizes

The diameter of the DM11 at the threads is wide enough for a 26650/800 tube, if you don’t have one look at the pics, you’ll see it’s significantly wider than it usually is on 21700 lights.

As for my opinion on 26800, I think it makes more sense than 26650 for flashlights, the later having barely more capacity than 21700 while being much fatter, at least 26800 is providing an actual capacity upgrade, through still at lowish energy density like 26650 (actually a bit lower for the QB6800).

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wait but hows that gonna work? it cant be compatible with both 21 and 26 tube sizes

It can! DM11’s threads are already much larger than necessary to fit a 21700. My guess is Hank made the threads this wide at the head to fit the large driver.

Fortunately, they happen to be wide enough to fit 26mm diameter cells, as several users have demonstrated by connecting Thrunite TC20, Catapult V6, and Acebeam E10 tubes to their DM11’s.

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Personally I'd love to see a side by side 2x 21700 format over a 26800

Yea, this is my preference too. It would be more capacity, much more power, and weigh about the same as a 26800. Would love for this form factor to catch on more.

Either that or 3x 18650. Also more capacity, more power, and similar weight to 26800, though with the tube it'd definitely be heavier with how those tubes are made.

Though, my actual vote is for choice. Choice is what makes these lights so special. Multiple battery tubes being available fits right along with the staggering amount of LED configurations available. So heck, if there could be 21700, 26800, 26980, 26650, or even 20350/26350 tubes, and people will buy them, then why not. Though obviously it's not that simple. I understand that making tube compatibility with different lights can be more difficult than it may seem. I definitely know it can be difficult/annoying for small businesses to keep even just two options available/in stock when one is much less popular than the other. You always end up with too many or too few. If you're juggling a lot of options already, the decision to add another isn't impossible, but has to be carefully considered.

But it seems like there's enough demand for a 26800 tube option, so why not.

I think one aspect that hasn't been mentioned is power. The QB26800 is rated by Mooch at 20.4A , with not much confidence in a higher temperature-limited or pulse rating. Mooch rates the 30T at 35A, and the P42A at 30A, with both cells capable of even higher (40A+) power. I know this isn't news to most.

20.4A is fine for an SBT-90 or the 4x LEDs in a D4SV2, but this DM1.12 has 13 LEDs. Theoretically you're looking at 60A or more to power them all. Even at ~3A per LED that's nearly 40A. I'm not sure how well a 26800 will do in getting the most out of this light.

Of course you'll still get decent output, and fantastic runtime on a 26800, so it's a good option for that, but if you want performance in a single cell light, the clear choice is 21700. Given Hank tends to make powerful lights, I think it's understandable he went with 21700 over 26800. I do think it's also still clear that 21700 is a more popular, easily available choice that more customers will have access to.

I am a little confused as to why he didn't go with a multi-cell configuration, but I think this light will be a real winner. 21700 is a great size in my opinion. I think a slimmer, smaller, lighter body tube makes a big difference in ease of carry even when the bezel is ~55-60mm, and I think this will be a fantastic, lightweight, ultra-portable and compact flood/throw lumen monster. I'm thinking one with W2s and a SFT-40, and one with SST-20 4000ks and a W2.

We know there is frosted and throw optics available for the center optic. I wonder if flood/throw optics will be available for the outside ring. That would be cool.

 

And Hank, if you read this, please make a tail switch light next Big Smile

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Personally I'd love to see a side by side 2x 21700 format over a 26800

Yea, this is my preference too. It would be more capacity, much more power, and weigh about the same as a 26800. Would love for this form factor to catch on more.

Either that or 3x 18650. Also more capacity, more power, and similar weight to 26800, though with the tube it'd definitely be heavier with how those tubes are made.

Though, my actual vote is for choice. Choice is what makes these lights so special. Multiple battery tubes being available fits right along with the staggering amount of LED configurations available. So heck, if there could be 21700, 26800, 26980, 26650, or even 20350/26350 tubes, and people will buy them, then why not. Though obviously it's not that simple. I understand that making tube compatibility with different lights can be more difficult than it may seem. I definitely know it can be difficult/annoying for small businesses to keep even just two options available/in stock when one is much less popular than the other. You always end up with too many or too few. If you're juggling a lot of options already, the decision to add another isn't impossible, but has to be carefully considered.

But it seems like there's enough demand for a 26800 tube option, so why not.

I think one aspect that hasn't been mentioned is power. The QB26800 is rated by Mooch at 20.4A , with not much confidence in a higher temperature-limited or pulse rating. Mooch rates the 30T at 35A, and the P42A at 30A, with both cells capable of even higher (40A+) power. I know this isn't news to most.

20.4A is fine for an SBT-90 or the 4x LEDs in a D4SV2, but this DM1.12 has 13 LEDs. Theoretically you're looking at 60A or more to power them all. Even at ~3A per LED that's nearly 40A. I'm not sure how well a 26800 will do in getting the most out of this light.

Of course you'll still get decent output, and fantastic runtime on a 26800, so it's a good option for that, but if you want performance in a single cell light, the clear choice is 21700. Given Hank tends to make powerful lights, I think it's understandable he went with 21700 over 26800. I do think it's also still clear that 21700 is a more popular, easily available choice that more customers will have access to.

I am a little confused as to why he didn't go with a multi-cell configuration, but I think this light will be a real winner. 21700 is a great size in my opinion. I think a slimmer, smaller, lighter body tube makes a big difference in ease of carry even when the bezel is ~55-60mm, and I think this will be a fantastic, lightweight, ultra-portable and compact flood/throw lumen monster. I'm thinking one with W2s and a SFT-40, and one with SST-20 4000ks and a W2.

We know there is frosted and throw optics available for the center optic. I wonder if flood/throw optics will be available for the outside ring. That would be cool.

 

And Hank, if you read this, please make a tail switch light next Big Smile

 

you bring up a fantastic point, Amps per emitter. 21700 will be unparalleled for this. And who doesn't have or carrry an extra battery with them? I'll take power over capacity on a light with over 10 leds! 

oh, and I second- please Hank make another tail switch light next 

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