Luminus SST-20-W 4000 K CRI95 color and output test

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Luminus SST-20-W 4000 K CRI95 color and output test

I got this emitter from Kaidomain on a 20 mm MCPCB.

Mounted on a CPU heatsink with a nice splash of thermal paste and over the top 16 AWG wires.

Purchase link: http://kaidomain.com/Luminus-SST-20-J4-FB4-Neutral-White-4000K-LED-Emitt...

Data sheet.

Exact order and bin code: SST-20-W40H-A120-J4FB4 VH

Where
SST-20=self explanatory
W=white LED
40=4000 K
H=CRI 95
A=solder pad configuration (3.25 × 3.25 mm)
120=viewing angle, 120°
J4=flux bin, 107-114 lm at 350 mA at 85°C, >118 lm at 350 mA at 25°C
FB4=tint bin, 4000 K above BBL
VH=forward voltage bin, 2.5-2.7 V at 350 mA at 85°C

CRI data measured from the hotspot with a

Bare emitter

Yajiamei 10° beaded optics at 1000 mA

Small op reflector from the Reylight Pineapple

Medium sized smooth reflector from the Eagle Eye X7

CRI data with increasing drive current with the Yajiamei optics measured from the hotspot

Tint shift with Yajiamei 10° beaded optics with increasing drive current

Tint shift is quite linear all the way to the max output current.

Output measured in a 50 cm integrating sphere

At 350 mA I measured 121.6 lumens at 126.5 lm/W.

Emitter died shortly after being run at 7 A. I can’t see anything visibly wrong with the dead emitter.

Edited by: maukka on 08/24/2018 - 15:45
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Sadly I wasn’t able to do any real world testing inside a flashlight, since the emitter broke during the output test. What little I observed during testing seemed very good. The tint is at least as good as with most Nichia 219Cs I’ve tested. With a smooth reflector the shift is even a bit less severe in the corona.

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Thanks for the test. The led performs nicely up to specifications. I’m sure that many people will complain that the tint is above the BBL but I care a bit less about that.

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so what niche does this LED fulfill that others do not? maybe good on AA sized/keychain lights or high CRI triples? Not really sure

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1000 very high CRI lumens from a single small die emitter with small tint shift is pretty good in my book.

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Thank you for this thorough measurement Thumbs Up

There seems to be a noticeable drop in the cyan and cobalt blue area of the spectrum – but the high R12 value is still very impressive – and R9 is nearly at Nichia E21A level.

How this LED compares to Nichia 219C and Samsung LH351D high CRI offerings with the same CCT in regards of tint shift, output, and Vf?

Do all of these Yajiamei optics consistently push CCT into warmer direction, and a bit above BBL (this latter is no problem for me)?

I was very happy for a brief moment, when I read your bare emitter CCT measurement (43..K), so I wonder, if there are TIR optics available, which don’t – or just marginally alter CCT.

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Yep. It’s very efficient. About on par as other small die 4000k 90+CRI LEDs, with a lower forward voltage.

This would make a very nice LED array in a 6A LD-A4 Sofirn C8F build. It would be gorgeous.

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maukka wrote:
1000 very high CRI lumens from a single small die emitter with small tint shift is pretty good in my book.

Back a few months, I ‘snapped’ two C8F hosts for a very good price, but I was hesitating to put Nichia 219C in those hosts because the rather low Vf – I guess, this LED will be a good choice for triplets or quads.

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adam7027 wrote:
maukka wrote:
1000 very high CRI lumens from a single small die emitter with small tint shift is pretty good in my book.

Back a few months, I ‘snapped’ two C8F hosts for a very good price, but I was hesitating to put Nichia 219C in those hosts because the rather low Vf – I guess, this LED will be a good choice for triplets or quads.


The difference is not great but this SST-20 starts getting a slightly higher voltage than the 219C, when going over 3A, so yes it will draw a bit less current and heat in high current direct drive triples or quads.

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Thanks for the test!
It’s certainly an interesting LED. The light quality is very high and the efficiency thus low. It’s advantages over other LEDs with high-light quality are the XP solder pad layout, the single-die design (compared to the Luxeon MZ) and that it tolerates high currents (compared to the Nichia E21A and 219B-V1).

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So…. where to get a 5k low cri version to dedome….?
Could that be a XP-G2 killer?

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Jerommel wrote:
So…. where to get a 5k low cri version to dedome….?
Could that be a XP-G2 killer?

http://kaidomain.com/Flashlight-DIY-and-Tools/Luminus-SST-20-L3-DA-Neutr...

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The dedoming will be the challenge, no leds dedome so nicely as the old-school Cree’s

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Thanks Djozz.
I’ve been away from BLF for some months, so i have some catching up to do. Smile

Yeah, i bought 1 Liter of 99.5% Toluene for those SST’s, still a challenge though, but i’ll get some anyway.
I’ve still got a B158 waiting for a high intensity LED, for example.

I’ll try some of these high CRI ones too.

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The dedoming will be the challenge, no leds dedome so nicely as the old-school Cree’s

Slicing is the way to go with SST…
Now I’m impatient to get mines, they will go straight in the D4 Silly

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Amazing testing maukka. Thanks.

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Thanks for this test Thumbs Up

 

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maukka wrote:
Emitter died shortly after being run at 7 A. I can’t see anything visibly wrong with the dead emitter.


Does nobody else see the burned place under the top bond wire? Is that just a slightly darker connection area? Was it that dark before the test?

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There’s the before image at the top of the OP.

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Thanks Maukka, Im always interested to see your reviews. This one would have been the perfect 219b replacement if the tint bin was below tbe bbl.

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I tried dedoming (chemical way) two of this leds, it did not go well :/

 

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Any thoughts on how these would compare to the stock emitter options in a D4s? I have the Nicha version, but I’d like either more throw, more output, or some combination of both. It doesn’t seem like these would give me much, if any more output than the Nichia and the XP-G2, but are they more intense than the Nichia? They are certainly higher CRI than the XP-G2s.

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eas wrote:
Any thoughts on how these would compare to the stock emitter options in a D4s? I have the Nicha version, but I’d like either more throw, more output, or some combination of both. It doesn’t seem like these would give me much, if any more output than the Nichia and the XP-G2, but are they more intense than the Nichia? They are certainly higher CRI than the XP-G2s.

The difference in performance with a 219C R9050 will not be great. The CRI is better though, comparable to a N. R9080, which is not available in 219C, only in the lower performing 219B.

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Sirius9 wrote:
I tried dedoming (chemical way) two of this leds, it did not go well :/

What did you use?
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The dedoming will be the challenge, no leds dedome so nicely as the old-school Cree’s

I intend to try when my 5000k come in from Kaidomain. I ordered 10 and I’m willing to waste some to see if it’s possible with Aerosolve II. If that doesn’t work I have some other solvents. I really want to see what this little guy can throw at 5 amps.

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djozz wrote:
The dedoming will be the challenge, no leds dedome so nicely as the old-school Cree’s

I intend to try when my 5000k come in from Kaidomain. I ordered 10 and I’m willing to waste some to see if it’s possible with Aerosolve II. If that doesn’t work I have some other solvents. I really want to see what this little guy can throw at 5 amps.


The problem with dedoming SST40s is the long/weak bond wires. The silicone separated nicely from the phosphor (using warm gas) but the silicone remains stiff and it pulls the bond wires out. I assume the SST20 has the same problem. Maybe a more effective solvent would improve the success rate.
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eas wrote:
Any thoughts on how these would compare to the stock emitter options in a D4s? I have the Nicha version, but I’d like either more throw, more output, or some combination of both. It doesn’t seem like these would give me much, if any more output than the Nichia and the XP-G2, but are they more intense than the Nichia? They are certainly higher CRI than the XP-G2s.

Here are some Skylumen numbers for comparison
https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?449829-Lumintop-GTvn...

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The difference in performance with a 219C R9050 will not be great. The CRI is better though, comparable to a N. R9080, which is not available in 219C, only in the lower performing 219B.

Thanks. By performance, do you mean overall output, or also intensity? I was just trying to compare two different S2+ I’ve modded with these emitters, and it looks to me like the area of the SST-20’s LES is somewhere between 25-50% that of the 219c. So, with similar outputs, the SST-20 should have higher intensity.

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Here are some Skylumen numbers for comparison https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?449829-Lumintop-GTvn...

Thanks. That’s interesting. I’d guess the Samsung High CRI is the LH351D. These are with the stock driver? Which is a FET?

I wonder how 2× 5K SST-20 + 2× 3000K SST-20 High CRI would look…

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^ By performance I was referring to output, efficiency and current handling, but you have a valid point that I did not consider yet, the SST-20 indeed seems to have a bit smaller die than the 219 (and XP-G2), so a bit higher intensity and better behaviour in small Carclo optics.

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^ Thanks for clarifying.

I have some of the 4K coming. I’m still on the fence on whether to upgrade my D4s with LH351D for more output, or perhaps these for less flood.

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Awesome. Thumbs Up
Hope they will dedome well enough.

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