BLF Community Battery Pulls Overview Thread (Laptop packs and Tool Packs)

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GottaZoom wrote:
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comfychair wrote:

Would the thread be somehow less informative if the updates were placed in the first post instead of the second?

I have bee tossing around that idea for a couple days now. When I get a chance I will switch them around. I wish I could add another editor to the spreadsheet post.
The change could better for some. When I open a thread it is only the new posts and in reverse order (except for the original post (post zero). So it is better if the original post is an intro or is packed with info/links and not packed with large images. This also reduces the download streaming requirement at my end - and on the website.

You can try throwing it up on a google docs spreadsheet with public edit and link to it in the OP (iframe embed doesn't work)

And probably try what I've been doing and have all the images in an album like on imgur/flickr or some sort.

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Lenovo branded 42T4690 --> 6x Panasonic Prismatic CGA103450A @ 1950mAh (1x 0.00v 2x 2.2v 1x 2.6v 2x 2.7v)

These, according to the series name in this datasheet, are LiCo cells, which might make me look like an idiot for doing this.
some info from Keeppower about these

Thanks, I've never seen those before. Interesting alternative to the pouch-cells that Apple seems to have switched over to. What is the problem charging them in that charger? The datasheet lists 3.7V nominal, 4.2 charge termination.

I guess its a pretty unconventional look, seeing these cells in a charger that doesn't have the 103450 size in their supported list :P.

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I went ahead and switched the 0 post and the #1 post, tell me if you guys like this better.

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Nice! Big Smile

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£3.10 from Ebay including delivery!

Contained 6 x CGR18650CG.

Light green colour, all measured 3.9v.

Manufacturer: Fujitsu
Battery pack: AH531 Lifebook Part no. CP477891-03
Rating Battery Pack: 10.8V
Cell name inside : Panasonic CGR18650CG
Cells mAh: 2250?

One cell was slightly scraped during removal and the metal beneath the casing is exposed. If I wrap it in packing tape would that render it safe for use?

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Yes, you can also use shrinkwrap,
see HKJ’s tutorial: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/19095

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Suncoaster wrote:
Yes, you can also use shrinkwrap,
see HKJ’s tutorial: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/19095

I will add this to the OP.

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OK thanks for info.

Great forum for by the way!

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Got 3 packs from Hagg911's WTS thread, delivered in person by ruffles.


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3x Lenovo branded 42T4619 (10.8v 7800mAh 85Wh) --> 27x Sanyo UR18650FM (9x 3.84v 9x 3.96v 8x 4.00v 1x 3.99v)

I would totally hop on his sale again, but I already have TOO MANY batteries! Silly However I do suggest you to get packs from him if you're looking for a pack to pull from.

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List updated thanks everyone.

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After 30 minutes shuffling through the battery packs at our local used PC shop, I only found two packs that seemed new enough to be interesting, so I paid $1 each and took them home to tear open.

The first has the ASUS part number AL32-1005.

Inside I found pretty much what I was expecting. 2,800 mAh cells, specifically, LGDC118650s in ugly greenish brown wrappers.

Next up, an HP TD06 pack. Most of the TD06 packs in the bin had a 10.8v nominal voltage. This one had a 11.1v nominal voltage, and so I assumed it was newer.

The pack was made in china with Korean batteries, but which kind? Inside, I found 2,800mAh cells, as expected. Specifically, they were lavender-wrapped Samsung ICR18650-28As, which have a 4.3v termination voltage.

I’m leaving the circuits intact for now, because I want to see if I can read out some information from the battery management boards and see how that relates to the voltages, capacities, internal resistance and self-discharge rates of the individual cells.

I’ll update the blog posts (linked to above) once I’ve got that info.

Pack Summaries:
Asus, AL32-1005; 11.25v, 5600mAh, 63Wh 3s2p; LG, LGDC118650, 2800 mAh
HP, HP TD06; 11.1v, unspecified mAh, 62 Wh, 3s2p; Samsung, ICR18650-28A, 2800 mAh

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gauss163 wrote:
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I’m leaving the circuits intact for now, because I want to see if I can read out some information from the battery management boards and see how that relates to the voltages, capacities, internal resistance and self-discharge rates of the individual cells.

How can you access the Smart Battery firmware? TI eval kit, or some other way?


I’m shooting for some other way using an MCU but no luck so far. It should be doable though. I’ll post something when I’ve made demonstrable progress.

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I’ve posted another pack teardown. This one is a ACER AS11B5E battery pack I picked up on eBay.

This pack is a bit unusual. Its an internal pack, but unlike most internal packs, its made with 18650s, rather than pouch cells.

One benefit is that its really easy to get in to. I just had to peel some tape off the thin shell.

Inside, I found eight Panasonic NCR18650A 3,100 mAh cells. Not bad for a $22 new-old-stock pack!

Or perhaps it wasn’t such a deal after all. The pack voltage was ~7.7v, which wouldn’t be bad if this were a 3S pack. On an 4S pack though, that works out to less than 2v a cell. In retrospect, I can now see why the seller wasn’t asking more for the pack, and now that I’ve gone back to check, I see that they have other NOS packs of the same type for almost 2x the price. No mention though that it was marginal

I decided to give it a slow charge to 12V at 200 mA, which didn’t take long. Overnight, the voltage settled to ~11.6v. I am taking it up to 14.8v now at 660mA, which is probably where I’ll leave it until I manage to read out the pack info over SMBus. Then I’ll separate the cells and do a couple rounds of tests.

Pack Summary:
Acer, AS11B5E; 14.8v, 6000 mAh, 87Wh, 4s2p; Panasonic, NCR18650A, 3,100 mAh

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Thanks EAS, I will get the OP updated asap.

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eas wrote:
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I’m leaving the circuits intact for now, because I want to see if I can read out some information from the battery management boards and see how that relates to the voltages, capacities, internal resistance and self-discharge rates of the individual cells.

How can you access the Smart Battery firmware? TI eval kit, or some other way?


I’m shooting for some other way using an MCU but no luck so far. It should be doable though. I’ll post something when I’ve made demonstrable progress.

Not to drag this too far off topic, but I’ve made some progress. I was able to get this info out of one of the $12 acer packs:

Quote:
Design Capacity (mAh): 5200
Design Voltage: 11100
Manufacture Date: 15500
Cycle Count: 1
Voltage: 8.05
Full Charge Capacity (mAh): 5107
Remaining Capacity (mAh): 4
Relative Charge PCT: 0
Absolute Charge: 0
Temp: 20.75
Current (mA): 0

I need to figure out how to interpret the manufacture date. I also want to figure out if I can get the individual voltages for each parallel bank, and also how to deal with string data, like the manufacturer and serial number.

Once I do, I’ll clean up the code a bit and share it.

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Went back to the flea market

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Apple iBook A(?)O62 (14.4v) --> 8x Panasonic CGR18650CA (2x 0.00, 1x 3.87v, 2x 3.83v, 3x 3.81v)
Dell branded JWPHF (11.1v 56Wh) --> 6x Samsung ICR18650-26F (5x 3.87v, 1x 3.62v)
Dell branded X284G (11.1v 48Wh) --> 6x LG LGDAS31865 (4x 3.50v, 2x 3.48v)
Solomon Technology BTP-X31/TH-3500A (10.8v 3500mAh) --> 9x Toshiba 4/3A 1.2v NiMH Cells
Generic Toshiba TS-M2 Replacement (??v ??Wh) --> 6x Moli ICR-18650H (6x 3.91v)

 Downlinx I updated my other posts with VDC and mAh/Wh info (#65 #71 #80 #84 #100)

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Otanacious wrote:

Went back to the flea market

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Apple iBook A(?)O62 (14.4v) —> 8x Panasonic CGR18650CA (2× 0.00, 1× 3.87v, 2× 3.83v, 3× 3.81v)
Dell branded JWPHF (11.1v 56Wh) —> 6x Samsung ICR18650-26F (5× 3.87v, 1× 3.62v)
Dell branded X284G (11.1v 48Wh) —> 6x LG LGDAS31865 (4× 3.50v, 2× 3.48v)
Solomon Technology BTP-X31/TH-3500A (10.8v 3500mAh) —> 9x Toshiba 4/3A 1.2v NiMH Cells
Generic Toshiba TS-M2 Replacement (??v ??Wh) —> 6x Moli ICR-18650H (6× 3.91v)

 Downlinx I updated my other posts with VDC and mAh/Wh info (#65 #71 #80 #84 #100)


sorry i missed this, i will get everything updated.

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A friend of mine, not a member here, but into flashlights none the less sent me these pics of a 40V Kobalt battery pack that HE found in the Lowes recycle bin. It was only half full with only 10 cells. The cell info is scribbled onto a piece of paper on the desk. The pack claims to be 2.0AH, that would mean those are 2000mAh cells. He claims there is also a 4AH version of this pack, so that one would be full with 20 cells.
This pack, like the one I found appears to be brand new




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Been doing some pack pulls over the last few weeks.  Laptop packs were acquired from friends and tool packs courtesy of Home Depot

Acer AS10D41

10.8v 4400mah

6 Sony 2200mah

US18650GS

T6GS23SK08Y

All 3.94v

 

Ryobi 5 cell lithium ion tool pack

LDGAH11865

M284J115AG

All 0.4v JUNK

Pretty disappointed with the Ryobi, pack looked new.

Downlinx reported the following pack to produce Sanyo double red while gauss163 indicated panasonics.  I got Sanyos in the first one and Sony's on the second.

Dell BATDWOOL

Type 6T473

14.8V 6450mah

12 Sanyo red top 2200mah

9 @ ~2.8v, 3 @ 0v

 

Dell BATDWOOL

Type 6T473

14.8V 6450mah

12 Sony 2150mah

SF US18650GR

T G5146LJ24H

All @ 0v

 

Makita tool pack

18v 3ah

10 IMR “konion” cells

1500 mah

SF US18650v

T V1110NK25N

1 dead cell, pooched 1, dented 2, six @ 2.85v

No self discharge

4.4 A on DD XM-L2

6.4 A on DD XP-G2 triple

Lost three high drain cells due to clumsiness!

More Later,

Brian

 

 

 

 

 

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Dell Y4367 11.1V 80WH
9x LGDA2E 18650 2400mah

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Thanks for the patience everyone, too a bit but everything has been updates.

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Did a pull over lunch
this time did a Dell 4M529 7800Mah 90Wh

This one had 9 samsung ICR18650-26f’s 2600Mah. (I 3 wrappers off accidentally, will need rewrapped)

I have not tested them yet, i will this weekend

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Interesting, it would seem that Dell rounded up a bit on that Wh rating.

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eas wrote:
Interesting, it would seem that Dell rounded up a bit on that Wh rating.

thats what i am thinking as well, should have been marked 85Mh
I am working on another 4M529 and it looks like it comes with ICR18650-28A’s so i dont know what is going on. it is also a 90Mh

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So my work have Dell Inspirons and they bought extra batteries. These are supposed to be genuine Dell batteries but I have pulled one apart and they are are not genuine. Hate to tell the requisition guys this …

So the pack is 11.1V 5200mAh pack with 6×18650 cells in 3s2p. It is to replace the Dell J1KND, 9T48V and W7H3N.

The 18650’s in them are purple in colour. The marking is ASO, so guessing they are ASO branded. Full marking is ASO GH1G221EF 809551 (this last part varies and appears to be a serial number). Below that marking is SZN, so another Shenzhen company I guess.

Can’t find specs but basing it on the specs on the pack, 3.7V 2600mAh. I don’t think it’ll do more than 1C constant discharge, the generic aftermarkets ones rarely do. Not bothering to test these as I’m not keeping any these.

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DELL Inspiron replacement battery from ebay

9 x CMP 18650 cells: http://cmp-chn.gmc.globalmarket.com/products/details/2200mah-rechargeabl...

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Thanks vladraq, OP updated.

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DELL branded 5081P (14.8v (4S2P) 3360mAh) --> Sony Fukushima STG G4 US18650GR 1700mAh (8x 0.00v)
DELL branded 75UYF (14.8v (4S2P) 3800mAh) --> Sony Energytec GR G2H US18650GR 1900mAh (6x 0.00v 2x 3.18v)

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i originally thought those were bak cells.
now i know.they are just fine for normal flashlight use and even did ok in our custom box mods we build.
i wound up with several hundred of these cells from new but obsolete packs bought by some school and later sent to us for recycling.not one dud and every last one were at 3.81v out of the sealed packs.not used to seeing that sort of consistancy in generic stuff.

vladraq wrote:

DELL Inspiron replacement battery from ebay

9 x CMP 18650 cells: http://cmp-chn.gmc.globalmarket.com/products/details/2200mah-rechargeabl...

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Bought this new open box Acer AS10I5E pack on Ebay for $19.95 free s&h. Received it and pack date was 7-2012. Inside were 8 NCR18650A green Panasonic 3100mah cells. Voltage was 2.20v for all eight cells. In process of charging 4 cell for 30 minutes and voltage is 3.29V. Repeating on the second set as I am writing. Looks promising for $2.50 per battery!

Update…did a discharge 1.5A to 3.0V and checked 2885mah with the hobby charger. Do figure that at 2.5V minimum discharge would be close to rated capacity. The battery pack was purchased from ebay seller INANDOUTELECTRONICS. Many members here purchased packs from this seller and have been pleased.

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I tore into some DELL XX326 11.1V 60WH packs.

I started by trying to read data out of them with PackProbe. Only a few yielded any data, and what they gave was patchy. I pulled open the rest to see if I could figure out why they weren’t working. I could tell that all of them had one or more bad bank of cells. I could also tell that some of the spot welds had broken at some point, perhaps while I was twisting the packs to get the case open.

When I checked cell voltages in situ, I found that all of the packs I opened had bad banks. Some worse than others.

Hmm, that ain’t good, how does each bank look…

Huh, I guess those aren’t bad, the rest though…

Umm, weird…

-2.69v?!? That can’t be right, but the polarity on the multimeter is right.

I looked at a few more packs. Found some more reverse polarity cells, but not with as much potential. A bunch of flat cells, and when I tore out individual cells, I found 0v cells paired with ~3.5v cells in the same bank and more broken spot welds. Not quite sure what is going on, other than these being lousy packs.

Out of 18 cells from three packs, I only have 3 (Samsung ICR18650-28As) that are anywhere worth charging.

Update: The three cells I charged are pretty hammered. When charged to 4.2v and tested on my Opus, they all put up about 1,720 mAh discharge capacity at 500mA drain. These cells are designed for 4.3 discharge voltage, and according to HJKs tests, when charged to 4.2 they give up about 8% of their capacity, which would put them at ~2,600 mAh from 4.2v when new. Internal resistance as measured by my Zh-yu battery analyzer from Fastech is ~75mOhm (for comparison, on the same rig, some pink samsungs pulled from one of those $12 Acer packs with a dozen or so cycles on them now come in at ~60mOhm, and some Sanyo blue top from a 110-cycle Lenovo pack I got from Hagg911 measure 55mOhm).

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