Massive fraud on 18650s in the Littokala Aliexpress stores!

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Crap. I’ve ordered these to convert a Makita Ni-Cd drill.

Did anyone test the 30Q with high amps? Are they any good?

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Dimking wrote:
Crap. I've ordered these to convert a Makita Ni-Cd drill.

Did anyone test the 30Q…

I also do some battery pack overhauls, but why bother with 30Q cells in that case? The 25R is a very adequate cell, and thanks to its inherently low price and great supply counterfeiting chances are much lower (HKJ's reviews of recent 25R rewraps here and there).

 

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Barkuti wrote:
but why bother with 30Q cells in that case?

Because of greater capacity.
Hope someone will test them, because my amp meter is a 10 amps max.

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CNCman wrote:
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The more I read of this thread the better LiIon Wholesale looks.

I agree 100 % , I ordered 4 × 30Q’s from Liion Wholesale on Sunday and they arrived on Friday. Checked them on charger/tester, perfect. Only cost $3 more than Littokala.
No more waiting and worrying for me. Beer

Per cell, or overall 3$ more

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Just had my first lot of LiitoKala 21700 4000mAh delivered.

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I just got a full refund from Paypal. They said that due to the ‘unique circumstances’ they would refund me at no cost to the seller.

I now have 6 free batteries that work in everything I have put them in Smile

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I just got a full refund from Paypal. They said that due to the 'unique circumstances' they would refund me at no cost to the seller.

 

Ok, so I read that as Paypal is going to take the hit? They're going to release the money to the seller?

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Thats how I read it too.

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Oh joy I ordered 260X of these for my Ebike build via AliExpress through this link. I’m glad I paid with PayPal as I’m going to have to contest the purchase now. Looks like I need to pick up a high drain tester and a laser temp gun so I can get enough data to make my case for a refund.

LiitoKala 100% original New for Samsnu INR 18650 battery 3.7V 3000mAh INR18650 30Q li-ion Rechargeable Batteries http://s.aliexpress.com/2yAjYF77?fromSns=Copy to Clipboard
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Funny the video that got me interested in Liitokala is also a good instructional video on how to load test them to show they aren’t genuine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2o3Wc-0fVk

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I just got a full refund from Paypal. They said that due to the ‘unique circumstances’ they would refund me at no cost to the seller.

 


Ok, so I read that as Paypal is going to take the hit? They’re going to release the money to the seller?

From Paypal

We’ve investigated your claim for the below transaction and we’re glad to let you know that we’ve decided in your favour.

Due to the unique circumstances of this claim, we’re refunding you at no cost to the seller. You’ll receive a GBP refund. It should reflect in your PayPal balance within 5 working days, if not sooner. If you paid with a card, the money will be refunded to your card, but depending on your card issuer it may take up to 30 days to appear on your card statement.

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JakeDjanitor wrote:
CNCman wrote:
Stereodude wrote:
The more I read of this thread the better LiIon Wholesale looks.

I agree 100 % , I ordered 4 × 30Q’s from Liion Wholesale on Sunday and they arrived on Friday. Checked them on charger/tester, perfect. Only cost $3 more than Littokala.
No more waiting and worrying for me. Beer

Per cell, or overall 3$ more

I paid $22.99 from Banggood vs $24.13 from Liion Wholesale for 4 x BUTTON Top Samsung INR18650-30Q 15A 3000mAh 18650 Batteries. I have never ordered any batteries from Littokala Aliexpress. The Banggood batteries were Authentic but I had to wait 4 weeks and worry if they were any good. Liion Wholesale is a very Reputable seller you can buy with confidence from with fast delivery in the US.

Less than a week delivery and $1.14 more for Guaranteed Quality, easy call for me for all my batteries.

I order a lot from Banggood with no problem with Quality.

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TheAuditor wrote:
I just got a full refund from Paypal. They said that due to the 'unique circumstances' they would refund me at no cost to the seller. I now have 6 free batteries that work in everything I have put them in :-)

I just got the same determination from PayPal.

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AS did I.

I think I am turning that $49 into as many 30q or VTC6 cells that I can from a reputable seller

I tossed another $5 in, and got (8) VTC6 from Liion wholesale.
No sense in playing battery roulette, at least now that I am playing with serious amp-draw lights

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After ten days, I won a dispute with the liitokala Official Store. I bought fake Samsung 30Q Button Top batteries.

I wrote two reports, describing why I think the batteries are fake. Without reaction. Only after the dispute was opened the vendor reacted with the statement that everything was OK. I have photographed photos and videos. I asked for a refund of 50% of the original price. That’s what I think is a good deal. The batteries are functional, they have the correct capacity. They are not genuine 30Q, therefore they are not suitable for high currents. The seller refused – he said everything was fine and he wrote that I could send back the batteries and get my money back. This is unrealistic because of shipping costs.
He argued that my internal resistance measurement is inaccurate. It is true. But equally inaccurate for all accumulators. For false, the internal resistance is up to three times higher than the original.

I tested the maximum current at Astrolux S41. For all original, the maximum current was higher by about 2 amps. For one battery more, for some less. Fake batteries are also known by other font numbers and letters.

I opened a dispute and documented photographs and videos. Aliexpress has accepted my arguments and will be refunded $ 9. I did not want the whole amount back. I would have less chance of success and it was not quite honest. As I wrote, the batteries have the correct capacity and internal resistance at the level of ten ampere cells. So I have the right battery now at a fair price.

I’m glad Aliexpress decided in my favor. I’m sure I’m right. I do not open unnecessary disputes just to get the money back. The seller made the mistake of not agreeing with me.


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Don’t forget to give them your review.

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@ Petr J., I think making an offer to pay some amount is honorable. We did receive mid-grade, useable batteries. I offered to pay an amount as well which was rejected by the seller.  Upon seeing AliExpress not agreeing (immediately) with the same evidence from one of our forum members, the same as I provided, I started the dispute through PayPal. And again, offered to pay an amount. PayPal decided to pay the seller and refund me. Win-win, maybe.

In principle, the seller lied and should be treated as a thief. In reality, I received useable goods so they may receive something. 

PayPal made a business decision not to piss-off AliExpress, a business partner. From your experience, AliExpress seems to be a good market place and I hope they throw out these thieves. But I won't hold my breath.

Thank you for your above and beyond effort to document this issue with Liitokala stores. I hope you find an honest, inexpensive battery supplier!

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Knowingly selling counterfeit goods deserves no money, they deserve to be shut down.
What happens when someone puts this in some custom vape mod and the heavy draw blows the cells, taking out some ones teeth, or burning down a home? Maybe some people want to build a pack for another high draw application, and burn the cells. No exuse to still have that store open, selling these cells. In the least, pull the product from the store

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I was not successful in my dispute. I uploaded evidence and it was escalated, however, the seller supposedly provided some “official inspection sheet.” Aliexpress ignored my request to see this inspection sheet so I could prove it to be counterfeit. Oh well, you win some and you lose some.

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Yohan110 wrote:
I was not successful in my dispute. I uploaded evidence and it was escalated, however, the seller supposedly provided some “official inspection sheet.” Aliexpress ignored my request to see this inspection sheet so I could prove it to be counterfeit. Oh well, you win some and you lose some.

I had very little dialogue through AE. I filed a PayPal dispute and gave them as much info and reasoning as possible..
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justanotherguy wrote:
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I was not successful in my dispute. I uploaded evidence and it was escalated, however, the seller supposedly provided some "official inspection sheet." Aliexpress ignored my request to see this inspection sheet so I could prove it to be counterfeit. Oh well, you win some and you lose some.
I had very little dialogue through AE. I filed a PayPal dispute and gave them as much info and reasoning as possible..

PayPal never asked me for file evidence although I submitted the link on Lygte's review and comments on 3 vents V's. 4 vents. I hope you paid via PayPal. They can be the better authority in disputes.

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Because I got the batteries of some value, I did not want the whole amount back. Though the dealer is dishonest, I wanted to remain honest. Maybe I had the advantage of losing the dispute later than you. Ali already had information from other customers, joined them together. In several similar disputes at the same time, it was clear that this was not a coincidence. To admit, it was my tactic. Wait a while for Ali to resolve similar disputes, not to claim the full price and not to post the ongoing dispute here. Only after the announcement of the result I wrote here.

The vendor has made a major mistake by forging batteries that have a specific positive pole look. He also incorrectly copied the fonts on the battery. If he used a battery with the same positive pole as the original and the same font, nobody knows anything.

The batteries will only be used in devices that have a maximum current of 2C capacity. So up to about 6 amps.

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If you get fakes, always dispute and don’t pay a cent. This scamming will go on forever if you let it.

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maukka wrote:
If you get fakes, always dispute and don’t pay a cent. This scamming will go on forever if you let it.

I agree. It is very shameful the way they sell counterfeit goods. I understand if they bought them and didn’t know, but when it’s obviously a fake, and people tell you and show you it’s fake, time to pull the ad down, or change the description

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The problem is that any device you buy – power bank, different toys and other electronic devices and the like can be fake batteries. I bought a power bank from a reputable vendor who claimed that Samsung batteries are inside and the capacity is 5200 mAh. The real capacity was 1,000 mAh. I believe the dealer did not know. This is a huge e-shop. There are many products you use and do not know what’s inside. So I will use the purchased batteries, I will remember that I do not know the manufacturer and I will be more careful.

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Petr J. wrote:
The problem is that any device you buy – power bank, different toys and other electronic devices and the like can be fake batteries. I bought a power bank from a reputable vendor who claimed that Samsung batteries are inside and the capacity is 5200 mAh. The real capacity was 1,000 mAh. I believe the dealer did not know. This is a huge e-shop. There are many products you use and do not know what’s inside. So I will use the purchased batteries, I will remember that I do not know the manufacturer and I will be more careful.

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AliExpress reviewed my case They were fair, looked at my video, and pictures and decided in my favor. They went against the sellers counter offer. They do not want to support counterfeit goods, they just need proof that the cells are not as described.

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It’s how I wrote. They now know that there are several of the same cases, so they decide for the benefit of their customers.

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Aliexpress has returned the money to my account. Fair behavior.

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I have 30 Q’s button tops with two vents/legs purchased from liion wholesale.But I am guessing that’s because liion wholesale welds the button on the 30Q cell.

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praveendk wrote:
I have 30 Q’s button tops with two vents/legs purchased from liion wholesale.But I am guessing that’s because liion wholesale welds the button on the 30Q cell.

Yeah, button-tops are just over-wraps of flat-top cells, so unless you unwrap the outer layer and pull off the welded button, then you can’t compare it to a genuine cell.

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