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I am always on the lookout for the next big TIR lens, this one looks different than most I have used, I am curious what it would do. I would buy a few depending on price for sure.

What kind of beam does it give? any beam shots by chance?

I had actually not been subscribed to this thread so I was not even aware that you had these till now.

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You are talking about 19mm or 35mm one?
19mm can not make big surprise. Probably somebody wouldnt like what I will say now, but I need to repeit: even hi version of xp-l is too big for this size. It should work well with dedomed xp-g2 or smaller dies, I have used it with xp-l hi in A6 and it cant overthrow same size reflector and have lots of artefacts in the beamshot (they means that lots of lumens are running away from tir enter).
35mm one gives much more wow effect. As most narrow tirs, it dont likes multi-die leds and prefers smaller one. To be well focused it requires drilling three holes on pcb, and it can be done when pcb is big enoght (it wont fit hosts with 16mm pcb cavity.)
I have been selling 19mm tirs for $3 and 35mm for $4.5. 35mm narrow tir with ledlink partnumber can be get for lower price. Cutter wants $6.85 for one. I can offer it for $3. How much do we need?

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I think I have one of the 35mm from cutter, I have not properly tested it yet as I don’t have any hosts for it. I was more interesting in the 19mm one for tube lights myself. I have 15 or so I have tried already and find they all act very different. Some have to be focused perfectly to work, others only work well with certain LED’s and other just plain don’t work.

If this one doesn’t work very well then I would not need it.

If I could find a host for the 35mm TIR I might get a few but I don’t know of any hosts that it would work in easily.

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35mm tirs can fit C2 size hosts.

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Hmm, don’t have any of those at the moment. Might need to add one to the collection.

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Arrived yesterday.. thanks

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Received my order today including the X5 kit, the packaging is very good and the shipping to Denmark is very fast.
The X5 is a little beast, with a MTN-17DDm driver, quad Nichia 219C D320 and a fresh Windyfire 600mAh battery I get 11,87 A initially dropping like a rock to 8,5 A after about 30 sec.

I was going to use XP-E2 for the M1 quad but I don’t know how they like a FET+1 driver.

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You can try them with regular cells like 26f, 29e and etc.
XP-E2 should fit those optics well.

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kiriba-ru wrote:
staticx57 wrote:
Next step is p60 copper finned head. Will be a future purchase though, not that soon I think.

Bezel is big problem for this option. Stock P60 bezel is to deep, uses strange threads and could not provide waterproof with o-rings (in stock it is provided by special shape rubber under glass).
I prefer when bezel is outer style (with internal threads), but seems it is impossible to make such part with machinary I have access to.
Anodizing is another problem for exterior parts from alu. When mechanics is not very cool, anodizing can hide small demerits, but sometimes it makes more of them.
I think I should start with simple P60 solid neck. Similar to OrthoDogs, but without internal screw-in pill. Just one design for triple/quad.

Need some advice about this option.
Due technical reasons, solid neck+18350 extender should be at least 5mm longer, than 18350 host. This way driver place will be 10mm upper.
P60 extender tubes are full length (bigger one can fit 70mm cells) so this extra 10mm are excess.
18500 cells are not very popular.
10 more mms, and non-protected 18650 cells will fit this tadpole.
What do you think?

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possible product idea.
Just bought a couple Lumitop copper Tool on sale for cheap. Never bought one before cause I dislike the Honkin’ tail cap Switch.

Is it possible to get a cap made to turn the Cu Tool to twisty?
By design it would work.

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vwpieces wrote:
possible product idea.
Just bought a couple Lumitop copper Tool on sale for cheap. Never bought one before cause I dislike the Honkin’ tail cap Switch.

Is it possible to get a cap made to turn the Cu Tool to twisty?
By design it would work.


No, this is not possible due lots of reasons:
-in such parts, smaller does not means cheaper
-surface roughness that we can achieve is not good enought for external parts with difficult shape
-to get twisty with full copper light you need isulated coated internal threads. Impossible under thousands qty.
The only thing I can suggest you, if you dont like tail rubber cap and switch intself, you can think about making solid insert to stock tail that will change stock switch and cap. It can be mafe from any material, can provide waterproof with o-ring, will be much cheaper than whole tail.

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any chance you would be interested in making aluminium tail-switch-part-thing for Convoy C8 flashlights that could be used to make remote pressure switch? Just like regular pressure remote switch but only aluminium part, without the wire and the rest … ?

 

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I dont know what are the problems with the existing parts and why you cant use them, but if you can help with the drawing, why not?

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Threads are the problem, convoy is using square threads, everyone else have V shaped threads.
I don’t really know how would I measure that, don’t have thread gauge.

 

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Why you cant use stock Convoy v3 tail with internals from remote swich made for chinese C8?

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kiriba-ru wrote:
kiriba-ru wrote:
staticx57 wrote:
Next step is p60 copper finned head. Will be a future purchase though, not that soon I think.
Bezel is big problem for this option. Stock P60 bezel is to deep, uses strange threads and could not provide waterproof with o-rings (in stock it is provided by special shape rubber under glass). I prefer when bezel is outer style (with internal threads), but seems it is impossible to make such part with machinary I have access to. Anodizing is another problem for exterior parts from alu. When mechanics is not very cool, anodizing can hide small demerits, but sometimes it makes more of them. I think I should start with simple P60 solid neck. Similar to OrthoDogs, but without internal screw-in pill. Just one design for triple/quad.
Need some advice about this option. Due technical reasons, solid neck+18350 extender should be at least 5mm longer, than 18350 host. This way driver place will be 10mm upper. P60 extender tubes are full length (bigger one can fit 70mm cells) so this extra 10mm are excess. 18500 cells are not very popular. 10 more mms, and non-protected 18650 cells will fit this tadpole. What do you think?

If I were to buy one I’d only consider 18650 and 18350.

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Sirius9 wrote:
any chance you would be interested in making aluminium tail-switch-part-thing for Convoy C8 flashlights that could be used to make remote pressure switch? Just like regular pressure remote switch but only aluminium part, without the wire and the rest … ?

Simon has a remote pressure switch in the works.

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Just that it’s getting closer. The original design was quite good but more on the generic side. The new design will still be fairly universal in application but will have a more distinct Convoy look. The factory has a prototype and I think we should see production reasonably soon. I promise I will post the info when I can.
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If I were to buy one I’d only consider 18650 and 18350.

Let it be so.
18350 – head+neck+tail
18650 – head+neck+short extender+tail
Both should be about 18mm shorter than stock hosts with short/standart extender.
Neck have about 12mm legth external surface (d=31.7). I think that fins could not be made well on copper at this moment, so I think this surface will be just polished.
If they will be made from aluminium in future, some ribs with 3.5mm height can be added there. I would like to try some coating on one of such part but unfortunatly small quantities killing this idea.
P.S. Have forgot one important thing. Driver place is far away from the tail side of this project so simple desicions wont work. It will have screw-in from top pill with driver retaining. Bigger one for carclo triple/quad and smaller one for carclo 26.5mm single optics.

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kiriba-ru wrote:
vwpieces wrote:
possible product idea.
Just bought a couple Lumitop copper Tool on sale for cheap. Never bought one before cause I dislike the Honkin’ tail cap Switch.

Is it possible to get a cap made to turn the Cu Tool to twisty?
By design it would work.


No, this is not possible due lots of reasons:
-in such parts, smaller does not means cheaper
-surface roughness that we can achieve is not good enought for external parts with difficult shape
-to get twisty with full copper light you need isulated coated internal threads. Impossible under thousands qty.
The only thing I can suggest you, if you dont like tail rubber cap and switch intself, you can think about making solid insert to stock tail that will change stock switch and cap. It can be mafe from any material, can provide waterproof with o-ring, will be much cheaper than whole tail.

External finish does not bother me at all. Plain is perfectly fine. Machine marks are fine.
Completely lost me on the thread coating. Why? driver is the insulated part and only turns on with body contacting it. It already works perfectly fine as a 1/4 Turn twisty of the head with the switch ON. By it’s current design, it will work as a twisty.

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External finish does not bother me at all. Plain is perfectly fine. Machine marks are fine.
Completely lost me on the thread coating. Why? driver is the insulated part and only turns on with body contacting it. It already works perfectly fine as a 1/4 Turn twisty of the head with the switch ON. By it’s current design, it will work as a twisty.


If you want to rotate head (not tail) it will work without coating.
I just need to understand why you dont want to make such improvement with simple insert?
Can you make simple hand drawing, what do you have know and what do you want to receive?

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I received my order today, 2 weeks from Russia to Canada, well packed and everything very nice !
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Received my order today and am very happy about it. Big Smile

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vwpieces wrote:
possible product idea.
Just bought a couple Lumitop copper Tool on sale for cheap. Never bought one before cause I dislike the Honkin’ tail cap Switch.

Is it possible to get a cap made to turn the Cu Tool to twisty?
By design it would work.

Do you mean something like this Tool tailcap , just made out of copper?

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Is the sk68 copper pill on or off the table? You had a short list going. Some other good things you’re doing here.

Three Tanna leaves to give him life, nine to give him movement. But what if he eats the whole bag?

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somnambulism wrote:
vwpieces wrote:
possible product idea.
Just bought a couple Lumitop copper Tool on sale for cheap. Never bought one before cause I dislike the Honkin’ tail cap Switch.

Is it possible to get a cap made to turn the Cu Tool to twisty?
By design it would work.

Do you mean something like this Tool tailcap , just made out of copper?

No kidding. Thanks but Yes copper is essential
Thanks, should have looked.
Nick

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2nd order consisting of 2 packages arrived today. Less than 2 weeks to my door.
Good stuff and Fast shipping for international.

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I received my pills arrived today. They came quick and were packed very well.

I’ve built a s2+ triple so far and am very happy with the quality of the pill. The threads are perfect, and everything fit together great.

Thanks kiriba-ru, I’m sure I’ll be back for more.

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vwpieces had met with problems building M2 quad (http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1014159#comment-1014159), but I still don`t have enough information to undertand what`s wrong.
I think I need to write what you should to do and what you should not do to avoid such situations.

1) Please check parts after you have received them as soon as you can. I couldn`t expect that someone will ever order host for me spacer, anyway most have host when parts are received so just spend few minutes to make sure that all fit well.
(I hope all undrestand that I can`t foresee if somebody in china has decided to change manufacturing process).
2) Please DO NOT start to mill, sand, cut part if you see that it don`t fit. Just look why it don`t and measure dimentions of problem zone.
(I hope all understand that this will help me to determine where the problem is).
3) Please contact me as soon as you realized that you can`t put parts together without extra machining.
(This can prevent other member from meeting same problems).

I`m 99% sure that all versions of Convoy M2 have same size reflector. And this means that same spacer can fit all versions.
I have bought mine in june from banggood. It is pill-less, with square-cutted threads, without TM text after Convoy, frosted finish.
Reflector dimensions are similar to those from:
- 2014 year BLF review (square threads, pill-less): http://budgetlightforum.com/node/34251
- 2013 year fasttech photo (triangle threads, brass pill):
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This fact allows me to suppose that spacer height is right. Please do not try to repeit soldering extra disks over spacer.
Different hosts may have different internals (reflector shape allows to remove more or less material inside head), upper lip OD can be simply reduced for next batches.

Now I need some help from members that have Convoy M2 host. Neverless what version do you have.
Please help me to specify several dimentions that can be different in different host.
-PCB shelf size. I know that nobody have such caliper to measure it, just try to put a)Noctigon XP20 and b)stock hexagon pcb inside. Mine could fit last which is about 20.9mm.
-Distance from head top to the first internal step. Mine one had 7.7mm.
-ID of threads that are over this step. I have measured 29.3mm.
Please understand my position. I am not able to have all revisions of all versions of all flashlights. I need much more feedback to make universal suitable parts. Waiting replies.

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Wow! Great delivery time from Russia to the USA! My three item order arrived packaged impressively well. Everything looks to be in great shape. One item is an X6 spacer; I have not tried the fitment yet but it looks good. It may take me a few days to get to the actual mod. Anyhow, I am happy! I will consider kiriba-ru for further ourchases. Thank you very much!

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