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The Miller wrote:
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I know I’m late but…

Is it too late to ask for a discount code?


Welcome to BLF!
Code send
Would be so funny to reach 1750 pre orders, we have crossed 99% of that I just saw.

Thank you! I appreciate it.
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> what could have been done …?

That site I linked to above has some suggestions. Look for the clickable link that looks like this:

You’re right that the “want it now!” contingent here was pushing too hard, as we knew they’d be doing.
Rushing production has never worked out well.

But the main problem is whoever at TF managed the process didn’t understand
how to keep his company’s best long-term interest in mind.

(but obviously he was clever enough to find someone to rush and then blame, sigh)

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Oh boy.. Thanks for all the pm's!! Lots of offers. I'd like to see the responses if I posted I'm having trouble paying my taxes or something smile

No, please don't send money!! laughing

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Just paid for my 3rd and last, should have me and my family well set up for things that go bump in the night. Big Smile

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2 of mine came in. Nice build on these lights but some things needed attention first thing. I expected some black gunk to be on the ring inside near the circuit board, and wasn’t disappointed. It appears that when these lights are tested the cells they use are dirty. A “pink pearl” pencil eraser removed the black deposit without much trouble. I had to blow out the eraser dust.

One of the complaints folks have had are buggered up screws. Mine had possibly a little of that but not enough to mention. I did need to put some grease on the o-rings and threads, there was some on the threads, but the o-rings were dry. The cheat sheet fit right into the end cap slicker than snot. Another complaint heard is that the switch LEDs are of unequal brightness. Both of mine appear to be of the same brightness or close enough; I didn’t need a lit switch anyway, but it’s a nice touch. Thanks for including it Thorfire! So far in the Q8 I’ve only used the UI functions available in the Emisar D4 and it’s Narsil Lite UI. Later tonight I’ll play with it more. Physically it’s longer than the Meteor M43 with a diameter roughly the same but that too was expected since this light has reflectors and the M43 doesn’t.

Some folks complain that the flats on the battery section don’t line up with the milled sections on the head. Mine don’t either. Big deal.

I kept it on turbo and sure enough in 3 minutes it stepped down. I might change that to temp’ control just in case I need turbo for longer and it’s -20°. In those 3 minutes the head got decidedly uncomfortable to hold. I’m thinking temp’ control or no control (ones own hand being the temp’ control) is the way to go.

I probably knew it, but had forgotten… It has no hole for a lanyard, but it does have a threaded hole in 1/4-20, so it will accept a d-ring or some such, or go onto a tripod. I haven’t decided yet, but I may drill and tap a hole in the endcap for a lanyard ring. Dang! I forgot! I bought a camera hanging dingus that goes on a belt to hold the light. I just tried it without the belt and it’ll work fine for using it for nighttime chores. It just needs a bit of blue loctite on the threads, and a belt.

The smoke grenade pouches work great and if anything are just a hair snug, but that means they will pull out and not fall out.

I’ll keep cells in both of these for a few days to make sure the switch LEDs are “burnt in” and working.

These are very nice lights! Quite a light for being a “budget light”! I have yet to be disappointed with any BLF light.

My hat is tipped to the team! Kudus! You folks did a great job and produced a fine light! But again, I have not been disappointed with any BLF light that I’ve purchased. It’s definitely worth more than what I paid for it. It was also interesting to watch the process an idea to completion and now I have them on my desk. It can’t get dark soon enough

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It hasn’t been that long ago (back when Americans made stuff) that we just blamed assembly problems on “Friday afternoons” or “Monday morning hangovers” of failing Union negotiations. I don’t think I ever heard anybody blaming it on American workers trying to get a product out the door too quickly.

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With the risk of burning myself and suffer from premature charging once again, i am told i should have my Q8 in my hands tomorrow. Cool

If so i look forward to it, but i have a lot of stuff going on at the moment, but evenings or nights are reasonably free for illumination.

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Like BrianK, mine came to Maine today via FedEx SnailPost. Wow, sure took a long time to cross the country! Unbelievably slow.

Worth the wait, of course. All seems in order. drilled out the driver screw holes, chamfered the shelf tapped holes, cleaned the brass contact surfaces at the head and, excellent! Tail spring bypasses are next.

Great job Q8 team and, especially, The Miller, for putting up with us all for so long over this. Thank you! Waiting for nightfall….

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spinynorman wrote:
I don’t think I ever heard anybody blaming it on American workers trying to get a product out the door too quickly.

Clearly you have forgotten the Project Vanguard Big Smile so bad in the end the Dwight D. Eisenhower had to swallow his pride and let the Ex German run with the ball.

Though with projects like that blame are rarely assigned when things go wrong.

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FWIW, meanwhile in Finland: My Q8 by BG “Free Shipping”/singpost is ready for pickup and tracking shows it arrived at my local post office this Tuesday morning. Unfortunately I’m out of town for several days, so I can’t say anything about the product yet. Tired

The Miller wrote:

If you want to be 100% certain no issue can pop up, don’t buy a Q8, and well no flashlight for that matter, stick to buying bricks you handpick yourself for that seems to me the sole product no issues can come up with Wink

I tried and failed. Some had fractures that were not visible and kinda broke when looked at. Wink They will still work for many purposes, just need a little more time during construction and don’t look as pretty.
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hank wrote:
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I simply hadn’t thought about the possibility that pre-production samples could be better then actual production because of the care in assembly.

Huh. I would have taken for granted that would be the case.
It’s a classic situation.

That’s why the Consumer Reports company says they buy their test products from retail consumer sellers, rather than risk getting specially prepared samples from the manufacturer.

Here’s a description from a blog that focuses specifically on Chinese production: https://qualityinspection.org/pre-production-samples/

Quote:
It is very common for factories to make a really nice sample that they can’t duplicate reliably in industrial quantities.
Then they say “of course, this is bulk production, so it is not as nice as the P-P sample”.

How to avoid this situation?

First, once you have a perfect pre-production sample, write down your tolerances. Make the distinction between
what absolutely has to be as nice as the sample, and what can be a little off. A good template for this is an inspection checklist.

Second, ask for the manufacturer’s feedback on these points. If you can’t be there, hire a service company to send someone on site. It is important to discuss about this with factory technicians and managers, rather than salespeople or middlemen….

(my italics added — h)

I’d like to see a “Lessons learned” list develop for future reference.

Probably alot easier sitting back in your armchair, analyzing. The folks here have a regular life beyond this forum. They designed a light, found a Chinese manufacturer to work with them. Built a light worth three times what was paid. I think the team, and Thorfire did a great job on this. Other than a few led issues, every light works as designed. There have been 500 shipped, and unfortunately, the ones you hear about are the few with issues.
From a USA, manufacturing standpoint. If you think they had a dedicated team to produce only this light, your wrong. Who knows how many orders, or how many different orders, they produce in a day. I can guarantee, an assembly team is going to make errors. From what I understand, and by visual of my light. Every light was checked. An led that was brighter than the other on a QC check, probably wouldn’t be noticed, except by a Flashaholic. The flickering, and led dying is an issue, but probably wasn’t detected in the initial check. The other issues with dust, and adhesive are trivial. A screw that might have been damaged, but was secure, probably would have passed.
I actually feel bad for TheMiller, and every one else involved with this, including Thorfire. This is such an awesome light, and basically, the last ten pages, are folks that want to nitpick it to death.
Unfortunately, they have to deal with this. I think everyone involved has stepped up, and I expect Thorfire will make it right (they always have for me).

EDIT: Ok, it took me so long to write that, their have been a few more positive posts. Thumbs Up

Bug

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Thumbs Up Here’s to BLF Development
team Crown

 


Sick Here’s to China TF QC Flat Stare

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BrianK wrote:
I bought a camera hanging dingus that goes on a belt to hold the light.
Tell us more about your dingus! Big Smile

I’ve seen camera/belt attachment thingies but I’m curious what you’ve got.

Got a photo or a link?

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Dusty wrote:

Probably alot easier sitting back in your armchair, analyzing.

I’m really impressed by the BLF Q8 team’s work this far. Just a hobby project and stuff, and the result is at least the best SRK-like host ever. For a budget.

However, I – sitting in my armchair – know even reputable western manufacturers cheat. Tyre factories send hand picked and optimized products to be tested and less than surprisingly they perform better than the bulk product will. World’s largest car manufacturers compete in ways they can optimize and cheat in emissions test, screwing their customers into buying cars that are worse than they would have been without the testing process, related modifications and especially the so called “repairs” and “upgrades” after they are caught.

How could a Chinese industrial plant produce the same quality in bulk that their salesmen order or personally make or supervise being made in singles or dozens? More correctly, why bother? Not gonna happen. It’s a wild, wild East. For a 1st world entrepreneur it might be hard to understand they basically have no law or rule – regarding this stuff. They do as they please in a very ultra-anarcho-capitalist way that many dream because they never saw how it really works.

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One thing for sure

for 40$ there is no SRK light outside you can buy and mod below 40$ to get the build quality and performance like the Q8

if you do not want to buy an unreviewed production run light, please dont do it
if you buy the Q8 and know Thorfire you should now many lights had issues

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I received two Q8s. Installed solder boobed 30Qs… and WOW!

However, both of my units have one serious issue. How do I get these Q8s to tail stand? They won’t leave my hands. Innocent

Cheers!

EDIT: Are you sure these were only $40 each… and not just the first $40 monthly payment?

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I’m sure lessons will have been learned, and that Thorfire want to and will step up to the mark. ISTM they have been as responsive as they could, really impressed at decision to stop the line, acknowledge small failings and regroup. (Not a Manker). And I hope this will be the beginning of a very good relationship with BLF going forward.

We need the likes of Thorfire on our side. It seems The Miller et al have cultivated a good relationship with them which is all important, going forward, and not something that can be developed in a hurry.

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Wow this is so awesome
1738 pre orders Banggood
14 orders at Elfeland
1752
That is now
And that is 100,00% of the total number we had on the lists, like exactly!
BLF delivered spot on, just cool!

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Dusty, many folks today have had everything handed to them and have never had to work a day in their lives. In short they are spoiled. The advertising drew them in with the promise of a great light (which it is), but the light they expected (heavenly music plays here) and the reality of a truly great light doesn’t play well in their heads. They expected perfection and got a really great light instead.

When the reality they live in implodes someday they are going to be effed bigtime, and the implosion has been long overdue. With everything going on today it could happen sooner rather than later.

I cook for folks who I like, but every once in a while someone sneaks in (not in decades) who is a complainer. I’ve always been able to cook for the folks who appreciate it and not cook for those others. I give out specific named spoken invitations so it doesn’t happen anymore. Now I have an inner circle.

Of course we couldn’t do a similar thing with the Q8, but it would have been nice to exclude the folks who think they are owed something yet appreciate nothing.

It’s not a particular country either, but being from the USA I can state that I’m embarrassed due to our unappreciative folks, but (I think) it’s more the latest generation. They have been given far too much and simply don’t appreciate what they were given. As I stated, when things implode, and it’s long overdue, they will be like linen in the wind and totally clueless and useless.

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I got my second Q8 in, light works fine, switch leds work and are not far off in brightness. Out of the box, no cleaning or anything, with 30Q’s at 30 seconds: 5370 lumen. I remember the original goal of making a 4000 lumen BLF-SRK and am proud of how good we have made it, no matter the imperfections.

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Utterly not on topic vignette. Re: Vanguard pictured a few posts above.

I was in school for my EE degree and was in the department head’s outer office. Chatting with the secretary. I noticed a model of the Vanguard on a cabinet. I said, why on earth would someone want a model of that rocket. It was a disaster. The secretary, in a low voice, said that the head of the department (who was through the open door) was responsible for the rocket development. And I still graduated!

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Like the man said — kudus!

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Keisari][quote=Dusty wrote:

However, I – sitting in my armchair –

I think my post maybe came on a little strong, I didn’t intend it that way.
I think, reading your response, we tend to agree. I do agree that a dozen hand built models, are likely to be different than a production run. I have no reason to believe that Thorfire is changing parts, or doing anything, that is different than what was agreed to. My point was mass produced goods, are at the hands of the folks that make them., and like someone said above ( I will have to look u up), it might have been made on a Monday, or a Friday (or a Chineese Holiday :FACEPALM:) I think it says a lot, that production stopped to address the issues. I know folks are frustrated that their orders are not shipping, but from what I see, everyone is trying to do it right.

Bug

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hank wrote:
Like the man said — kudus!

!{width:40%}http://elelur.com/data_images/mammals/kudu/kudu-04.jpg!

Ha Ha. Kudos !

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So awesome to read early reviews and the genuine excitement of early light-getters.

I made my payment a while back (order #700-some) and CANT WAIT (well i can but you know what i mean) until mine arrives.

Might seem trivial and childish but i love when they say “i cant believe this was only $40!”

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djozz, there seems to be something wrong with the “green” LEDs in your light on the left… Silly

I want to say that I’m so glad the mood has shifted more toward positive here. I think some people’s “complainer” module is wired direct drive! Shocked Maybe they should consider upgrading to a ramping module so they can set it to a proper (lower) level! Someone already said it ( jokingly, I think ) but it was beginning to feel like we were at that other forum!

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goshdogit wrote:
BrianK wrote:
I bought a camera hanging dingus that goes on a belt to hold the light.
Tell us more about your dingus! Big Smile

I’ve seen camera/belt attachment thingies but I’m curious what you’ve got.

Got a photo or a link?

The dingus…

This is the basic unit (I think). Anyway, it looks the same. I bought one with a belt that is sized for a very tiny child. Note to self: don’t assume anything; read everything.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fast-Release-Camera-Holster-Waist-Belt-Buckle-Bu...DSLR-Cameras-/172800396926?hash=item283bb4ce7e:g:YRcAAOSwu55ZeuMK

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I received my 30Q batteries.. Now I need some lights!

BTW if you order batteries, make sure if they offer the cases… I got 20 individual boxed/bagged/ AND shrink wrapped batteries… I had to cut each one free..
16 more tomorrow…

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BrianK and I aren’t too far apart. Mine also arrived today. I will give it a once over, maybe a second over as well.

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OK, my trigger finger is suffering from stuttering input syndrome 1/0, +/-, yay/nay, sure/un-, fun/food
I’ve had my 2nd Q8 in and out of my BG cart ever since I learned my code for 1 that I signed up for was honored for a 2nd
I got my 1st delivered in the 1st batch and didn’t feel right about taking another spot from someone
Butt now that it’s kinda woolly/bully…putup/shutup time, I thought I’d rather support the home team and pulled the trigger
Thank God I can pick my nose again without fear of “PayPal Order Reflex”

Seriously, thanks to all who made this possible.

Now I gotta learn to solder.

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