BLF Kronos X6/X5 GB - Group Buy now closed.

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DB Custom wrote:
Emarkd, on the orange tail LED’s, that’s sharp! I’d love to do that, can you tell me where to get (and what to get) those little LED’s? I’d strongly consider purple as well, just need to know what size and where to find options…
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I’d like to know as well. That orange is B.A.!

Thanks guys! Like PD said its probably all in that thread… but to be honest I didn’t read much of it (sorry!). I probably should have but there’s just sooo much content here that I can’t take it all in. So I did what I often do – wing it! It worked out as you can see but I did make a mistake. I assumed everything in there was 0805-packaged stuff. That’s what the first bit of the lighted tailcap thread discussed so that’s what I ordered, but that’s not what’s actually on these boards. The resistors may be (probably are), but the leds are larger. It worked out though because the 0805s will still work. The sit almost between the two pads, just barely touching on each side, but that honestly made it really easy to solder. I just tinned each led pad, set the 0805-package led between the two tinned solder-blobs, clipped them down firmly so they wouldn’t move and touched my fine-tipped iron to each junction. They joined right up and work great.

As for parts to order, well I went fast cause I have the patience of a small child. I got this assortment from Amazon for 2-day Prime delivery. I’m sure they could be ordered for much cheaper from other sources, but I wanted it now. Plus now I’ve got lots of extras to play around with, on these lights and others.

Maybe someone else could chime in with the actual size of the included leds. I think the next size up is 1206-package so that’s what they probably are, but I don’t know enough about smt components to be sure.

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Does anyone know if these drivers will be available by themselves?

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emarkd wrote:
Thanks guys! Like PD said its probably all in that thread… but to be honest I didn’t read much of it (sorry!).

As for parts to order, well I went fast cause I have the patience of a small child. I got this assortment from Amazon for 2-day Prime delivery. I’m sure they could be ordered for much cheaper from other sources, but I wanted it now. Plus now I’ve got lots of extras to play around with, on these lights and others.


No worries, I just try to keep the OP update with most of the major info.

That looks like a decent deal on the led’s for such a good assortment. It’s good to have extras because they are easy to lose and/or damage

My Favorite Modded Lights: X6R, S8 , X2R , M6, SP03

Major Projects:  Illuminated Tailcap, TripleDown/TripleStack Driver

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Anyone else get a metal washer in their tailcap? I got all 3 of my sets now (2 SS/Cu, 1 alum), and out of 6 lights only the one alum X6 has a metal washer - good in that the tailcap brightness is much lower. The others are a white plastic type (maybe delrin?) that apparently work well in letting more light get to the cap.

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dude5 wrote:
Does anyone know if these drivers will be available by themselves?

The code is open source and it’s likely that rich at MtnE will probably have them at some point. The A6 driver is sold separately already so this probably will be as well.

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In every GB, when people complain …

It seems like more people have been “on edge” lately. I’m not sure why, but I suspect it’s a combination of several things. In particular, BLF’s overall growth and its gradual shift toward being more of a market and proportionally less of a hacker hangout. I think. And more people means more friction.

I’m not making excuses for it, just trying to describe what I think I’ve seen happening. It bothers me too, but I don’t really know what to think of it since it’s a complex change with many tradeoffs. We get more cool stuff and more cool people, but we also get more trolls and more drama. And some of the drama has a chilling effect, as seen in the disclaimers well-meaning people include in their posts.

I don’t know how to make things better, but I feel like it’d probably help to add more cowbell. Er, I mean, more Foy. Foybell? More lighthearted reminders that this is a playground. I could ask people to behave, to follow good netiquette, but … who am I kidding? Humans haven’t changed much for thousands of years.

Regardless, individual efforts to swim upstream, to be nicer than the average bear, are greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work. Smile

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Lady Liberty, verdigris belies not the beauty of your face.

Or, Lady Liberty, what’s that green crap all over your face?

I guess it’s a perspective thing….

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Tom E wrote:

Anyone else get a metal washer in their tailcap? I got all 3 of my sets now (2 SS/Cu, 1 alum), and out of 6 lights only the one alum X6 has a metal washer – good in that the tailcap brightness is much lower. The others are a white plastic type (maybe delrin?) that apparently work well in letting more light get to the cap.


*big sigh* … They seriously put a metal washer in the tail instead of the white plastic washer? Sad

I hope that was a fluke. I also hope Neal has some spares to send out in cases like this.

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In every GB, when people complain …
I don’t know how to make things better, but I feel like it’d probably help to add more cowbell. Er, I mean, more Foy. Foybell?

When you cherry pick just part of what i said, and i read just that, I sort of get why Bugsy gets upset. I don’t mean that I’m upset that you cherry picked some words of mine, I mean I see where Bugsy and others feel like it’s a darned if you do, darned if you don’t situation.

I sincerely hope any of what I said is seen more like an SITREP and not a COMPLAINT.

And, yes, Foy is missed. Others too.

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DB Custom wrote:
Lady Liberty, verdigris belies not the beauty of your face.

Or, Lady Liberty, what’s that green crap all over your face?

I guess it’s a perspective thing….

You completely lost me on that one, Dale! Big Smile :bigsmile: Smile Big Smile :bigsmile: Smile

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People need to be more grateful, calling out no one in particular. These are by far the best flashlights for the money I have ever purchased. Even with a minor defect or two, these are still a heck of a deal and worth many times the price paid. Nitpicking on thease minor flaws is very discouraging to all the people involved in making this group buy happen.

Dented box corner, small scratches, mismatched serial numbers, why care about any of these pety things. This is one hell of a light for the money.

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cone wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
cone wrote:
In every GB, when people complain …
I don’t know how to make things better, but I feel like it’d probably help to add more cowbell. Er, I mean, more Foy. Foybell?

When you cherry pick just part of what i said, and i read just that, I sort of get why Bugsy gets upset. I don’t mean that I’m upset that you cherry picked some words of mine, I mean I see where Bugsy and others feel like it’s a darned if you do, darned if you don’t situation.

I sincerely hope any of what I said is seen more like an SITREP and not a COMPLAINT.

And, yes, Foy is missed. Others too.


Oh yeah, I have asked this before but didn seem to receive an answer. Did he give up the hobby or has he passed?

Words can be broken,
so can bones.

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The EE A6 tube fits the X6! Is there any way for an 18350 tube to be done?

It’s the X6 tube that fits.

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Tom E wrote:

Anyone else get a metal washer in their tailcap?

Same for me. I had one metal washer in my Al X6. It does seem to make it a little more faint than with the white plastic. 

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DB Custom wrote:
Lady Liberty, verdigris belies not the beauty of your face.

Or, Lady Liberty, what’s that green crap all over your face?

I guess it’s a perspective thing….

Allrighty then,
I see your point.

Here’s some more fancy words for Y’all, no charge.
http://wordables.com/words-for-colors/

I have a Big cat named Jasper and he looks nothing like this color, Who Knew?
Poor Cat.

Now then, back to the subject of Flashlights, When can I expect an Incarnadine BLF X5?
LOL
Now back to our regular slather of venom.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
Tom E wrote:
Anyone else get a metal washer in their tailcap? ...
==*big sigh*== ... They seriously put a metal washer in the tail instead of the white plastic washer? Sad I hope that was a fluke. I also hope Neal has some spares to send out in cases like this.

Ahhh, ok, yes - it's a metal one, but only in 1 of 6 lights, but I had no clue - maybe the alum X6 was supposed to have one.

Soooo, can I politely, possibly ask Neal for a plastic replacement? Innocent  I could check thru my parts bins first, might have something around to fit or trim to fit.

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emarkd wrote:
Thanks guys! Like PD said its probably all in that thread… but to be honest I didn’t read much of it (sorry!). As for parts to order, well I went fast cause I have the patience of a small child. I got this assortment from Amazon for 2-day Prime delivery. I’m sure they could be ordered for much cheaper from other sources, but I wanted it now. Plus now I’ve got lots of extras to play around with, on these lights and others.
No worries, I just try to keep the OP update with most of the major info. That looks like a decent deal on the led’s for such a good assortment. It’s good to have extras because they are easy to lose and/or damage

Most of the stuff you guys discuss in that thread goes a mile over my head. Silly

Looks like I’m going to need to find time to learn about it though, because that’s a crapload of LEDs I need to use. Big Smile Thanks btw.

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cone wrote:
When you cherry pick just part of what i said, and i read just that, I sort of get why Bugsy gets upset. I don’t mean that I’m upset that you cherry picked some words of mine, I mean I see where Bugsy and others feel like it’s a darned if you do, darned if you don’t situation.

Oh. It was a long post and I didn’t want to quote the whole thing so I only quoted the beginning. Perhaps “my two cent’s worth after reading the last twenty or so pages” would have been a more appropriate snippet.

Symptom of people being more “on edge” than usual. Like how a light tap usually goes unnoticed but the same tap can hurt if it hits something which is already sore. Common elbow-bumping seems to get bigger responses lately.

Elbow pads (or flameproof pants) and smiles may be of use. Smile

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Kenjii wrote:
Hi,

the lights are awesome and i am very happy with them. I was very surprised of its weight.

But i am german and i like precision Wink There are some little things that could have been made better at the machines. Take a look into the battery tube for example and perhaps you can see it is bored off center. I already heard that from A6 owners. But that is nothing that could reduce my love for both lights.

Regards

Kenjii

the offcenter bore is a production icon of manker its a feature not a fault Wink

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Cone - Your post is/was NOT viewed as a complaint at all.

Jack - I think you are right. LOL

Southland - Well put. Thank you!

Tom - I am pretty sure one of my samples had had a metal washer but I didn't think anything of it because it functioned fine.

It's the simple things that we take for granted that cost us the most

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southland wrote:
People need to be more grateful, calling out no one in particular. These are by far the best flashlights for the money I have ever purchased. Even with a minor defect or two, these are still a heck of a deal and worth many times the price paid. Nitpicking on thease minor flaws is very discouraging to all the people involved in making this group buy happen.

Dented box corner, small scratches, mismatched serial numbers, why care about any of these pety things. This is one hell of a light for the money.

Sorry, I mean no offense but this and others like it are the very type of post I find nonproductive.

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Sharpie wrote:
Sorry nocturne, but it is you who are absolutely wrong.

Latex rubber hasn’t been used in seals for a very long time.

The ones in this torch are all nitrile (look it up).

Highly resistant to most hydrocarbons. And silicone grease.

Unlike silicone, which swells and degrades in many hydrocarbons. The only safe stuff to use on it is silicone grease.

Ask any diver, they only use silicone grease, on whatever seals. Their life depends on it.

But is not much good for metal to metal.

I’m surprised you don’t know about galling, it happens when two identical metals rub together. E.g SS on SS, or Cu on Cu.

Nothing whatsoever to do with galvanic corrosion.

Educate yourself.

This was just a heads-up, warning people to lube their threads.

Anything is better than nothing.

Why so much hate and defensiveness ?

Ps: you talk of “synthetic” grease as if it is the same thing as silicone. It is not, its usually just a hydrocarbon that has been chemically constructed for precise properties rather than distilled from dead dinosaurs. And a good marketing buzzword when selling motor oils.

I have a strong indication you know what you’re talking about, but that you’re also shooting from the hip here. I can back up my claims.

Silicone grease is a poor choice for silicone o-rings
see here

also,

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Use caution when using petroleum products, as they can damage some types of o-rings. Don’t use silicone lubes on silicone o-rings. The o-rings can swell and make your light almost impossible to get open.

See Under O-Ring Compatibility

also,
look for Silicone

I don’t know what material is used for o-rings, I don’t know if natural rubber is used anywhere, but if it is, a petroleum-based grease is not recommended. If you’d like to use silicone grease on your silicone o-rings, more power to you, but you can expect them to swell and foul your action as well as snap and lose your water seal.

I didn’t mean to come up head to head with you, just figured you were shooting from the hip. If you’d take a few minutes to do some Google Fu, I am confident you will be reminded. Its an easy thing to flip flop. The CPF Comprehensive Lube thread is a unified resource great for the purpose of flashlight thread and o-ring lubrication, but there are plenty of other sources of information backing up my claims regarding compatible lube for the kind of material. Don’t take my word for it, see for yourself. But please lets not just naysay each other, kind of pointless.

Fwiw I think there is probably a difference in application between divers needing to seal out water under great pressures and flashaholics needing to seal out water of no or marginal pressure and dust AND have decent lubrication for threaded action. Often, flashaholics will simply remove the o-ring completely, as their need for water seal is minimal but their desire for smooth action is great. Sounds like for diving appliations what you want is a damn tight seal, and in that application, silicone lube works for the purpose. For flashlight o-rings, you won’t want that kind of seal.

Also, galling is simply metals in contact siezing, and can be, is often caused by galvonic corrosion, which is itself caused by a metal, like Fe or Stainless Steel from one batch, corroding in preferential to another, maybe like Cu, or even Stainless Steel with slightly different amounts of its constituents from another batch, when they are in electrical contact, like in a flashlight tube, in the presence of a conducting solution, say, lube, even if a vanishingly small amount.

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After checking the tracking about a thousand times… Yay!

These lights are absolutely incredible, worth every penny and more. My youngest kid thinks the little one is for him, as others have said these lights are kid magnets!

Great job guys, you knocked it out of the park.

P.S. The etching for “KRONOS” looks amazing, I like the font too, how the N dips a little below etc. Great little details to enjoy. Thanks again!

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Hi,

Mine arrived today and I got matching serial numbers (both lights and they match the box). I haven’t been keeping up with this thread, but I thought that the tailcap light could be locked out by loosening the tailcap?

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ohaya wrote:
Hi,

Mine arrived today and I got matching serial numbers (both lights and they match the box). I haven’t been keeping up with this thread, but I thought that the tailcap light could be locked out by loosening the tailcap?

Locking out the tail-cap is only possible on the aluminum set. Smile

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ohaya wrote:
Hi,

Mine arrived today and I got matching serial numbers (both lights and they match the box). I haven’t been keeping up with this thread, but I thought that the tailcap light could be locked out by loosening the tailcap?

Locking out the tail-cap is only possible on the aluminum set. Smile

Ahh. Ok, that makes sense (because of the anodizing, right?).

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ohaya wrote:
Hi,

Mine arrived today and I got matching serial numbers (both lights and they match the box). I haven’t been keeping up with this thread, but I thought that the tailcap light could be locked out by loosening the tailcap?

Locking out the tail-cap is only possible on the aluminum set. Smile

Ahh. Ok, that makes sense (because of the anodizing, right?).

Correct! :bigsmile:

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People need to be more grateful, calling out no one in particular. These are by far the best flashlights for the money I have ever purchased. Even with a minor defect or two, these are still a heck of a deal and worth many times the price paid. Nitpicking on thease minor flaws is very discouraging to all the people involved in making this group buy happen.

Dented box corner, small scratches, mismatched serial numbers, why care about any of these pety things. This is one hell of a light for the money.

Sorry, I mean no offense but this and others like it are the very type of post I find nonproductive.


How does nitpicking help? If your not happy with your lights, put them up for sale, sure they will sell quickly with no loss to you. Do you realize how many hours have been invested by the Krono Team, Neil, Banggood, and Manker to make this happen. A very high quality light for an excellent price. Don’t know how long youv’e been into Chinese lights but these things are common, nothing new. If this nitpicking continues, this could very well be the last endeavor of this kind. Nobody likes being thanked for all the hard work in this way. I’m done with this conversation.
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TK, I wondered about one of your thoughts, and looked, and found some recent science that may be relevant by analogy to the change in the forum.

Quote:
… we expect that the pace of genetic change due to positive selection should recently have been radically higher than at other times in human evolution…. when the environment changes, larger populations have an intrinsic advantage, as Fisher showed, because they have a faster potential response by new mutations ….

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/topics/evolution/selection/acceleration/acce...

[because a rapid increase in population combined with many people moving into new territory both allows more deleterious forms to survive (think those who easily slide into harsh words) and also, more importantly, allows the occasional rare new-and-better-than-best forms to appear and flourish rather than disappear in a generation. (think consciously improving — you all doing the design and wrangling)

Human and flashlight evolution may have something analogous going on here. Bigger forum, more people, a few brighter-than-ever lights appear and persist, which is more important than having the muck also a bit deeper around.

If so there’s hope for some of us who resemble the old reptilian fossils to polish up our acts and learn to be more like warm and fuzzy.

The few outstandingly bright and helpful folks who do so much here are great teaching examples of how this can be better.

Working on it.

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southland wrote:
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southland wrote:
People need to be more grateful, calling out no one in particular. These are by far the best flashlights for the money I have ever purchased. Even with a minor defect or two, these are still a heck of a deal and worth many times the price paid. Nitpicking on thease minor flaws is very discouraging to all the people involved in making this group buy happen.

Dented box corner, small scratches, mismatched serial numbers, why care about any of these pety things. This is one hell of a light for the money.

Sorry, I mean no offense but this and others like it are the very type of post I find nonproductive.


How does nitpicking help? If your not happy with your lights, put them up for sale, sure they will sell quickly with no loss to you. Do you realize how many hours have been invested by the Krono Team, Neil, Banggood, and Manker to make this happen. A very high quality light for an excellent price. Don’t know how long youv’e been into Chinese lights but these things are common, nothing new. If this nitpicking continues, this could very well be the last endeavor of this kind. Nobody likes being thanked for all the hard work in this way. I’m done with this conversation.

Seriously? Can you draw a fine line in what is a nit and what is an elephant for every recipient?

Hint: everyone has their own individual tolerance for blemishes on new acquisitions. Every consumer has the right to receive what they have been promised. If this is not what they received, or if the item is broken or damaged to no fault of the consumer, then they have the right to be made whole. This can be achieved with negotiation. Only two people have a right to come up with an agreement that satisfies both. Entering into this conversation with cause is a personal choice and right.

People who are gaming the system know they are. Chastisement isn’t going to change their ways.

If this was a non-profit proposition for all involved (including Manker and BG), then a “best effort” disclaimer could limit the acceptable gripes to DOA or non-functional.

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