GROUP BUY IS ACTIVE TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO JOIN.
The discount code is GBLFA6SE
This is the Banggood page where you can purchase the BLF A6.
Production is in high gear until interest slows and then that will be all they make. Buy them while they are available!
***For those interested in an unanodized version see ToyKeeper's thread HERE
***For those interested in shortened tubes for 18350 see RemanG's thread HERE
***For those that need assistance with troubleshooting and fixes you can also look HERE
*** All updates to OP are at the end of this post but ABOVE the interest list.
I like easy to carry tube lights. One of my favorites is the new model designated the A6 and comes with a an XPL emitter, 2.8A 4-mode driver. The BLF version of the A6 is here or use this link - http://www.banggood.com/BLF-A6-CREE-XPL-1600LM-7-4modes-EDC-LED-Flashlight-p-991823.html
What I am proposing, if it can be done, is to have Banggood manufacture us a BLF Edition with a A17DD-SO8 driver
(designed by our own Wight). The idea behind using that driver is that it can drop right in because it is single-sided and we can eliminate the moon vs amps debate as well as it will give the many the ability to change mode levels to suit.
Proposed specs (see below for final specs and price)
- XPL emitter in CW and NW tint
- Copper mcpcb
- A17DD-SO8 driver (already approved by wight) Now the A17DD-SO8 driver +1 7135 driver
- 7 modes with stepdown at high (no blinky) and of course the lowest possible low
- AR Glass (I remember reading that it already comes with it but I cannot find that reference again)
- BLF-SE engraving (subject to Kronos' approval)
- Guessing that approximate cost would be $22-$23
Unfortunately to pull this off would not be quite as easy as it sounds. In order to achieve this we would need:
- Quantity of 200 to get the engraving (probably not so hard)
- Quantity of 500 to get the copper without increasing cost (500 is the minimum run Maxtoch will do for mcpcb and if true to form this unit should have 16mm mcpcb). Less is possible but cost will increase.
My math that inspired me to attempt this group buy:
BLF 17DD Diver from RMM w/ options ~$14.25
Noctigon 16mm Driver from RMM ~$1.99
Subtotal parts 16.24 plus shipping plus cost of flashlight (EE A6 ~$19) = $35.24 +/- vs GB of $22-$23 (or even less if we can get the same success of the X6-SE)
To me that is a huge savings.
UPDATES:
12/31/14: Was informed that EE WILL indeed use the A17DD-SO8 driver if we can get enough interest to move this thing forward. Also have lights on the way to test with the A17DD-SO8 driver so everybody can see what the driver truly is capable of. FYI - I know it sounds like I am hyping this driver but I would not be so excited about this driver of I did not think it or see that it was capable.
1/6/15: Stock lights are on the way to be modified with Wight's driver so that this light/driver combination can be tested and demonstrated. The actual production run (light and driver) will be by EE Manker. The A17DD-SO8 driver will not be manufactured for sale separately nor does anybody have permission to do so except by individuals for personal use. (The A17DD-SO8 driver will be available in the future from RMM's store: http://www.mtnelectronics.com/)
I would really like to know if this is possible and if there is any interest please post here.
1/7/15: There are 4 main things that separate this from a stock Eagle Eye A6
- BLF Logo
- The A17DD-SO8 driver
- Copper for the emitter
- User's ability to flash firmware
1/20/15: Samples arriving. Preliminary results are good. See post #304 and beyond for DBCstm's tests. The below numbers are with no spring bypasses, just the A17DD-SO8 driver and copper star.
Stock numbers with factory driver
Numbers with A17DD-SO8 driver over 5 amps!! (Post# 326)
1/26/15: I have been working like crazy so I did not have the opportunity to swap the driver and the emitter in my sample until tonight.
Wow! Even with a laptop pull this light blows everything away!!Throw a 25R in there and this thing shoots the moon
The beam profile, even though it is subjective to the individual, is fantastic. Not a flood but definitely a large spot with a nice spill. Sort of what I would like to see possible but not with a triple. It is not a thrower like the LS D80 Kronos is working on but I never expected it to be either. I can still light things up several houses away :)
The Xiaozhi styled tube/barrel feels real good in the hand and something else that is welcomed is the deep scallops that allow you to get to the switch (sometimes I have to wear heavier mechanics gloves at work vs surgical styled gloves)...and this thing still tail stands.
The driver, as it is and I requested be setup at the moment, has 7 nicely spaced levels that run from the lowest low (battery dependent) to all out (again battery dependent). You can refer to the OP for the link to Dale's numbers. I have yet had the opportunity to take my measurements but just by the output visible to the eye Dale's numbers are spot on.
Where we currently stand on progress is as follows:
- Waiting on samples for others (aside from Dale and myself) that got tied up in shipping :(
- Have another person on the team that is experimenting with code and UI's and attempting to get the most reliable low (or moon) possible
- When the UI is finalized by the team we will ask Banggood to manufacture samples there and send them (they have a holiday coming so things will get slow on communication)
Everything so far is going as planned and expected and very well may end being not only a great light in BLF tradition but also the most versatile light available. :) Many many thanks to the team working hard on this behind the scenes, and of course all BLF'ers for the support!
2/2/15: 303 units!!!
As mentioned before, the review team is working on the A17DD-SO8+1 7135 driver and its firmware and it is sounding very promising :) After PM'ing with Banggood tonight we can all expect to see production samples after the Chinese holiday.
2/22/15: The waiting for the holiday to finish is killing me. LOL. I am not sure if everyone in China returns to work on the 23rd or the 27th.
Right now we are up to 382 units. I really do not think getting to the 500 is going to be an issue and I feel real confident in that. If the driver with the +1 7135 can be manufactured without any issue, and the production samples are as expected/required, this GB should start to move a bit quicker.
Thanks to everybody for their patience! :)
3/12/15: Driver files, firmware, and parts list are in the hands of EE. I am assuming that they need to source parts and speak with a driver manufacturer.
3/18/15: Spoke with Banggood about status for production samples. EE still trying to work out logistics of manufacturing the driver.
3/30/15: Received a pm today/last night from Banggood. Driver has been built by Eagle Eye (I believe it is the +1 7135) but they have some questions. Not sure as to what the questions are but hope that they are questions that the group (less Wight at the moment :( ) can answer. Hopefully we will have more info ASAP but at least it looks good that Eagle Eye and Banggood are actually working on it.
5/15/15: Samples have arrived! At the moment they are en-route to Dale for further scrutiny....and then to the rest of the group.
What can I say. It is bright as hell! Wight's +1 7135 driver seems to be working great (as manufactured by them). TK's UI is great too. These samples are with the UI that requires soldering the bottom star for memory. I did not solder mine before I sent it of. Therefore it starts on moon every time. All of you moon lovers will be happy to know that at first I thought the light was not working. I think many will be happy with how low this thing can get. Definitely no burning of any pocket. LOL. I also think that many may go for TK's 4-mode option, unless they use the modes to compensate for battery drain (which I often do at work). Another cool thing for you 2-mode people is that with TK's back up feature it is easy to go from Moon to High without all of the modes
That is all from me. You all will have to wait until this weekend to hear from Dale (if he is available), and the remainder of the group will have theirs next week.
The steps are small but the motion is forward. Everybody's patience is greatly appreciated!
As soon as we hear more news it will be posted here immediately :)
5/25/15: Below you will see the description of the fantastic UI by ToyKeeper
BLF EE A6 firmware (Click HERE for more detail)
==================
The interface is as follows:
(see blf-a6-ui.png for a quick start)
While off:
- Fully click and release to turn the light on. It will go to the first mode or the last-used mode, depending on whether you enabled mode memory.
While on:
- Short tap: Do a short (less than 0.5s) half-press to go forward to the next mode.
- Med tap: Do a medium (0.5s to 1.5s) half-press to go backward to the previous mode.
- Long tap: Do a long (longer than 1.5s) half-press to reset to the first mode (if mode memory is turned off).
- Or fully click and release to turn the light off.
Hidden modes:
- Go backward from moon to access the hidden modes. They are, in order:
- Turbo (just like the regular turbo)
- Tactical strobe (10 Hz)
(or 2-level stutter beacon, if compiled with that option)
- Battery check / beacon mode
(each blink represents about 25% of a full charge)
Configuration options:
- Ground pin 3 of the MCU to enable mode memory. This can often be done by soldering a star on the spring side of the
driver, if your driver supports that. Otherwise, it's pretty easy to make a solder bridge from pin 3 (mode mem toggle) to pin 4
(ground). Or even just wedge a piece of metal between the two pins.
- Short tap rapidly a bunch of times (15+ taps, or until the light stops turning on) to enter soft config mode.
With the default build, this only has one option (mode group), and it will toggle that option each time config mode is entered. It will then
blink, pause, and return to regular operation with the new settings.
Or if you rebuild the source and enable more than one soft config option, the way it works is the light will blink twice for each
option. Turn the light off between the two blinks to toggle that option. The options are whichever ones you enable.
The available options are:
- Mode group: 7 modes or 4 modes:
Group 1: moon, low, med1, med2, high1, high2, turbo Group 2: low, med, high, turbo
- Mode memory toggle (disabled in default build, use pin 3 instead)
Other details to note:
- Low-voltage protection will progressively step down the output at
about 2.8V, and the light will shut itself off when it gets below 2.7V.
- The default turbo step-down is 30 seconds.
- When turbo steps down to high, a short tap will push it back up to turbo or a medium tap will step down further, *even if you got to turbo
by going backward from moon*. The step-down effectively moves it from the "hidden" turbo back to the non-hidden turbo.
- A short tap from any hidden mode will return to the lowest mode.
Compared to other commercially-available lights (especially budget lights), this light is unique or groundbreaking in several ways:
- First BLF light with our own custom driver.
- First BLF light with our own custom firmware.
- First special-edition with a direct-drive FET, so it has the brightest turbo mode you can get.
- First special-edition with a regulated lower-power second channel for stable and efficient low modes.
- True moon mode.
- Up to 1600 lumens from a single emitter in a small tube light (with the right battery, and a spring bypass mod). Closer to 1200-1300
lumens with no mods and lower-amp batteries.
- User-toggle-able mode memory.
- User-toggle-able mode groups.
- Well-spaced visually-linear output modes.
- Includes some hidden modes for those who want them.
- Battery check mode!
- First clicky-switch stock light with both forward and backward mode navigation in a single tap (short/medium press).
- With mode memory off, the user can access 4 different modes (including the highest and lowest) within 1 second.
- Fast PWM so the pulsing won't be visible.
- The firmware and the driver designs are available for anyone who wants to modify them.
6/15/15:
Here is the update til now.
- Looking at 2 manufacturers for this light. EE and brand X
- Trying to come up with clip for light. EE may be able to use X6 tube with clip and brand X is looking to see if deep carry clip can be made.
- EE had better driver with single FET but problems on low mode. We think we know why and new samples have been made where if I understand correctly this time they have used Wight's schematic exactly. Banggood will be contacting EE to get the samples.
- Brand X sent samples with different drivers. We did not like those drivers because Dale's tests show inefficiency where there are greater amps but fewer lumens. Allegedly new drivers are being manufactured so we are waiting to see what happens there.
We all know EE and like what EE has but EE was taking way too long to give the needed attention. My patience gave way and that is when we started talking to brand X. Brand X responded immediately and produced samples within two weeks and is even trying to manufacture a clip for us. As it stands for now...this next round of samples may be the last and deciding round. Just as a note, this time it took EE only two weeks to get something together.
7/7/15:
All samples that we will be receiving have been shipped and this should be the final round. For now we are at the mercy of shippers.
I think that the drivers are going to be where we need them and we are pretty much assured that we are getting a clip. It will also be packaged in a BLF box. In speaking with Banggood it looks like we may get this into production in the next couple of weeks, if not sooner. Many many thanks to ToyKeeper, Dale, Kronos, Wight, and Neal (Banggood) for all of their personal effort that has been put forth to make this a reality!
7/14/15:
Drivers from Brand X are here. Currently in the hands of TK and Dale for testing to ensure what is. So far they look good. Also waiting for samples to arrive from EE BUT no idea as to when they might arrive. Brand X is also the company has the deep carry clip, while EE does not.
I will see what tomorrow brings and reveal who Brand X is.
7/17/15:
Brand X is........
Manker
Way back when I started to get real frustrated with getting the original samples we went on hunt for a manufacturer that would be willing to listen to what we wanted AND provide the exact same. At that time EE caught wind and started to get on the ball but still difficult to communicate with.
Now.....
The biggest exterior difference is that Manker made a deep carry clip just for us and manufactured an A6 host to fit it because the standard A6 does not have a clip slot whatsoever. Manker will also allow us to order "naked" lights for those that want.
EE will substitute the A6 tube for an X6 tube...which is ok but "just ok" for and EDC in my opinion. I carry my F30 regularly and I do not like that it rides as high as it does with teh standard X6 clip....but that is me.
Inside....drivers are now manufactured the way we want. Manker's first sample had a two FET's....junk. EE sent samples with a single FET which was ok but not quite cigar ready in the efficiency department. EE also sent a 2 FET sample like Manker....junk too.
Manker samples we have and seem to be working although Dale's acted a bit wierd...TK's was perfect. It is enroute to TK now for neuro surgery Then EE samples as of now are MIA. For a fact they were sent but either customs is holding the container or the USPS has misplaced them - dunno.
Maker is anxious to get the ball rolling - hosts, clip, driver. Just waiting to see what happens with TK and Dale and hopefully the EE samples and we will be ......ready for it....sit down everybody >>>>>>>> DONE!!!
7/19/15:
See post 2465 for pics of Manker deep Carry clip and host
7/31/15:
I revisited the LED tints with Neal. We are being offered a 5A tint. We need to know how many are interested in that tint...especially in comparison to a 3C. Keep in mind that the light has AR glass and this tint may negate the unwelcome shift that occurs with 3C and AR glass.
I need immediate input from our member please so that we can get this out ASAP.
8/1/15:
Let me start out by saying that I had nothing to do with the availability of tint choices :) That credit goes TK, Dale, JohnnyMac, and of course Steve. My original request was 1A and 3C. Thanks to the people really doing the work the options are 1A, 5A, and 3D! I do not know what the bins are and I did request the V6 where possible but I will ask just so everyone knows but not that we can do anything to change anything :)
As of now..there are 1000 units slated for production. I do not know if more will be produced unless there is an immediate need or demand. In other words...after the buying slows down the production will stop and only what inventory is available will be available. It will not be re-introduced unless there is a super-serious demand. On the other hand Manker and Banggood may, and are free to do so, introduce a stock unit with these specs. Don't know so can't say.
Here's the status on production...
- The first 350 units are 1A. They should be ready sometime next week or the following Monday.
- The next 150 units are 5A. They should be ready about the same time with the 1A.
- After that there is another 500 3D. They are about 10 days behind due to the availability of copper.
It really has not been decided about the codes yet. I honestly do not know how to implement them other than just pm codes to the people that put their names on the list BUT that does not give any control over quantity ordered or sharing the code, etc. etc. To me it does not matter because even though they are staring with 1000 units they will produce 10,000 if the demand is there SO EVERYBODY WILL GET THEIR LIGHT(S). I will let the group decide how they would like that to be handled.
What I want to avoid is: "I ordered my light yesterday and it still hasn't shipped", "It has been 4 weeks and I still do not have it", etc. etc. If they run out of a certain tint they will make more, period. There will be a delay but that can be expected. PayPal gives us 6 months protection so I do not want to see people jumping the gun because they may be out of stock for a week.
My original intent was to get us a light mass produced with Wight's driver. Of course Dr. Frankendale showed us the possibilities. Then along comes this sorceress named ToyKeeper that showed Dr. Frankendale that she too can do cool things with lights. The rest is history. A truly custom light was born!
I am amazed by the amount interest in this GB as well as appreciative of everybody's patience.
I think I have everything
8/6/15:
Finally!! :) It has been a long road to get here. I never knew there was that much involved in putting together a custom light :) This light is like no other budget light in existence and made specifically for us at BLF with components and firmware developed by BLF members. Throughout the process we listened and asked for improvements AND we got them. A couple examples are 1) The deep carry clip and 2) Instead of just DTP copper for the emitter this is genuine Noctigon. We even convinced the manufacturer to give us 3 tints. Of course 1A for the coolest max lumens possible, but also 3D instead of the usual green 3C and even 5A.
I thank everyone for their patience and support and a special thanks to our very own sorceress ToyKeeper (but in reality an angel in disguise!), Dr. FrankenDale aka Dale or DB Custom, Kronos aka Kronological, RemanG, JohnnyMac, and even Neal at Banggood (the list is too long to keep typing LOL)
Final Specs:
- XPL emitter in 1A, 3D, and 5A tints
- Up to 1600 lumens depending on battery used and spring bypass
- Noctigon Copper mcpcb
- A17DD-SO8 driver +1 7135 driver(FET for direct drive of upper upper and 7135 for regulation of lower modes)
- TK UI made by our own ToyKeeper (see some features) (Click HERE for more operation detail)
- User selectable 4 or 7 evenly modes (Moon to High)
- Reversing feature
- Moon capable
- Hidden blinking modes (inlcuding strobe and bike mode)
- Hidden battery check
- Low voltage protection
- User selectable mode memory (always starts on Moon without mode memory but easily reverses to Turbo with a click)
- Fast PWM for lower regulated modes
- AR Glass
- OP reflector
- Deep Carry pocket clip
- BLF-SE engraving
- HAIII Anodizing
- Packaged in a gift box
- Total Cost $25.00
A word of warning. This light is and only will be available at Banggood. No other reseller will have access to this light. Any claims or advertisements that another retailer has these can be assumed to false and the product to be counterfeit. This light will be available to those on the list and while there is demand. Once demand wanes this light will no longer be available except for Banggood's remaining inventory.
8/10/15:
Posted by Neal @ Banggood in post #3200:
Hello everyone,
The A6 are in engraving Logo,
1A 333 and 5A 167.
I test the lights, the drivers works perfect. and I think the drivers are the best I have seen.
Thanks Selene,Dale and Alex(wight) !!!
3D copper will be arrival this Wednesday and they should be finished this week.
I'm playing the light now and it makes me crazy!!!
Thanks for George,Steve,John,Selene,Dale and Alex(wight) and other members who join this project
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8/12/15:
Links to pics
http://s25.postimg.org/bbt8evr27/50_A8_DBA2039_D72395_BC2111_A7_F3_FBA4_E8_A2489_D003462_AC.jpg
http://s25.postimg.org/km9xw5r5r/FFA900_B2_C717_BD4_F4_EFB376_F1242720_E2267_C6698_C0_A5_E2.jpg
http://s25.postimg.org/j5yfe0o8v/QQ_20150812091911.jpg
http://s25.postimg.org/3n0zgwfy7/QQ_20150812091859.jpg
http://s25.postimg.org/jg1cjmdhb/QQ_20150812091918.jpg
8/31/15:
For those that are having issues with their light, you can use this email address: heyanqing1@banggood.com
This and any problems need to be reported to Neal's assistant.
You can use this email address: heyanqing1@banggood.com
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