Gotcha. I thought it was here. Thanks for the answer.

mhanlen wrote:

DavidEF wrote:

mhanlen wrote:

Wait, the BLF X6 SE lights are worth more than we originally paid for them? If so, why?

Yes, they actually are worth more than we paid. In fact, they were worth more already when we bought them. These lights will be even more so. The fact is that people in some parts of the world, such as here in the USA, are used to paying a lot and not getting a lot. Last I looked, Lowe’s had a 1000 lumen light for ~$60 or so. Well, we can buy 1000 lumen lights all the time for half that, and they look better and are better quality than those at Lowe’s. With these Group Buys, the idea is to get an even better deal than normal, by the power of buying in bulk. For the promise of hundreds of sales, the retailer and the manufacturer are willing to work with us to lower the price and/or upgrade the lights. I expect in general, a person could get over $250USD for the V2 Aluminum set, especially if they included a decent 4-cell charger and 2 IMR 18650’s and 2 IMR 14500’s. That is quick money. You could sell lots of sets that way, I’m sure. With the right set of circumstances, and the right buyer, you could get a whole lot more than that for it. There are people that regularly pay hundreds of dollars for one flashlight that won’t have the brightness or the features that the X6 V2 will have.

I understand the economy of flashlights and what you pay in the store for a light. I mean why is the BLF edition here worth more than the standard one? I’m not talking big picture stuff. I have this light and think it’s nice, but why were people flipping this particular light?

If you talk anything up and are good at it, you can sell anything. There are a few “brands” like SK68s that get people to buy them for $50, just a regular light you can buy for $3 on sale. Higher price does not = better. At least if some people were selling the BLF lights for a bit more they were getting a good light for near its value rather than an OK light for minimum 10x the price with the SK68 light.

mhanlen wrote:

I understand the economy of flashlights and what you pay in the store for a light. I mean why is the BLF edition here worth more than the standard one? I'm not talking big picture stuff. I have this light and think it's nice, but why were people flipping this particular light?

Aside from selling something that people do not know what we know....

• Cost of base unit plus cost of additional parts
• Can "I"do it without screwing it up (I originally felt that way and sometimes still do)
• Wanting a light engraved as BLF Special Edition or Special Edition anything ...like in the automotive business "limited" "super sport" etc.

The X6-SE would easily cost $40 when you add the additional parts and then you would have to do it. The BLF A6 is very similar.

The SS K6v2 and the Cu K6 add a very custom dimension that goes into the hundreds for a one-off even the aluminum models with their limited availability will be a deal and a steal.

This at the very least

Kronoslogical.

Many thanks for getting this thing going!

Add one Al WW please. If possible, would like to be #81. 
Thanks.

ahirshy wrote:

Okay all, this is the position swap list from the first post all the way through to present.

Date	Post No	Type (Al/CuSS)	Requestor	From Pos	Approver	To Pos	Status (Pending/Approved/Rejected)	Updated (Y/N)
07/11/2015 – 15:41	62	CuSS	ahirshy	26	mizjif	13	Rejected	N
07/11/2015 – 15:41	62	Al	ahirshy	15	djozz	13	Approved	N
07/11/2015 – 16:09	66	CuSS	mattlward	29	Wrathbringer27/LSX	18/19	Pending	N
07/11/2015 – 16:42	67	CuSS	abang.tegak		Blank	33	Approved	Y
07/11/2015 – 16:48	69	CuSS	ahirshy		Blank	31	Approved	Y
07/11/2015 – 21:01	88	Al	DanielM	25	Pregulla	22	Approved	Y
07/11/2015 – 21:55	91	CuSS	B42		Blank	42	Approved	Y
07/12/2015 – 05:41	102	CuSS	will34	14	Ulibar	28	Approved	Y
07/12/2015 – 11:33	112	Al	ahirshy	32	Nguyen	31	Approved	N
07/12/2015 – 16:34	130	Al	iron potato	39	Tinn44	34	Pending (PM Aprv)	N
07/12/2015 – 18:54	138	Al	nisse		Blank	100	Prefill Desire	N
07/13/2015 – 00:30	157	CuSS	jealous57	20	Sarge930	57	Pending (PM Aprv)	N
07/13/2015 – 04:26	162	CuSS	sonntag	62	Jmpaul320	55	Pending	N
07/13/2015 – 04:26	162	Al	sonntag	49	Jescereal	55	Pending	N
07/13/2015 – 17:53	178	Al	B42	52	Nisse	42	Pending	N
07/14/2015 – 18:52	193	Al	Nguyen	31	ahirshy	32	Approved	N
07/15/2015 – 00:29	205	Al	kst		Blank	58	Approved	Y
07/15/2015 – 03:16	217	Al	ReManG	7	djozz	13	Rejected	N
07/15/2015 – 12:59	228	Al	Kloepper Knife Works		Blank	66	Approved	Y
07/15/2015 – 12:59	228	Al	Kloepper Knife Works		Blank	67	Approved	Y
07/15/2015 – 21:12	235	Al	djozz	13	ahirshy	15	Approved	N
07/16/2015 – 09:07	252	Al	djozz	15	ReManG	7	Approved (PM Aprv)	N

Krono – To start off with you only need to update those with: Status = ‘Approved’ / Updated = ’N’.
After the first update it will only be a case of the new additions to this list which need updating.

All – if there are any above still with Status = ‘Pending’, and it had already been agreed by private PM only, please feel free to PM that individual again and kindly request they post a short Approval of the position swap on the thread for us to record. They could reference your original request post number, else simply which Al/CuSS list and what positions are being moved.

Any mistakes or omissions please let me know.
All position swaps should be discussed and agreed by PM first to help prevent unwanted spam in the thread. Then BOTH parties must post their request AND approval on the thread. I will then endeavour to update the swap list in this post every other evening.

Hope this is useful, please feedback if there is anything I can add or change to make it easier to track.

Keep shining,
Hirsh

kronological wrote:

Please keep in mind that this is an interest list and nothing is written in concrete yet (specs, timeframes etc.)…including no guarantee of S/N assignment. As stated previously, it is likely to be a logisitical nightmare…so please don’t expect it! We will do our best to make it happen, but, ultimately, it is about the lights, not S/N placement. Keep in mind that these lights will be Serial Numbered…so…the sooner you get you name on the list, the lower the S/N you will receive!

Explanation of why I’ve done this and some caveats to know about the list positions here.

I shouldn’t be in your chart, that post was just asking to be added to the aluminum list for 2 sets in addition to the 3 Al/Cu sets. 66 and 67 just happened to be the numbers the list was at.

Please put me down for 1 set of the Al NW. Thanks!

Hi all,

As are many of you, I am a member both here and at “the other forum”.

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could just say what we really think and feel over there without fear of retribution?

Let’s say a guy comes on there with a question: “Which light should I buy? – This $75 light, or this $85 light?… Which do you think is the best light, and the best deal?”

Then I could say something like: “Hey!… Have you heard that there is another forum called the ‘Budget Light Forum’? – When first visiting there I thought: “Why all the excitement about a bunch of Cheap A$$ $5, Junk lights?”… Then, as I began to dig deeper into their threads I saw that it’s not like that at all. – I saw that sometimes it really is All about the Money, while other times it’s about the Cutting Edge, and for a fair price to boot! – I perceived that if you don’t really wish to know all about lights on a deeper level and just want a good light that works, price aside, then one of the forums May be better than the other, though both have mixed content. I have found that BLF may “in parts” be too technical for some, but then there are other parts too. – Truly something for Everyone at BLF!”
.

BUT – Please pardon me, for I have digressed – My answer to the $75/$85 light question simply would be:

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BLF X6-SE v2 GB !!!

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TWO Lights for 1/2 the price, Plus Blinding Output, and an UI to die for! – Not to even mention the opportunity to meet many new and Interesting People!

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But if I were to post such ‘Blasphemy’ on the “other forum”, I would surely be drawn and quartered:-(

Such is life…

-Chuck

ahirshy wrote:

Okay all, this is the position swap list from the first post all the way through to present.

Date	Post No	Type (Al/CuSS)	Requestor	From Pos	Approver	To Pos	Status (Pending/Approved/Rejected)	Updated (Y/N)
07/11/2015 – 15:41	62	CuSS	ahirshy	26	mizjif	13	Rejected	N
07/11/2015 – 15:41	62	Al	ahirshy	15	djozz	13	Approved	N
07/11/2015 – 16:09	66	CuSS	mattlward	29	Wrathbringer27/LSX	18/19	Pending	N
07/11/2015 – 16:42	67	CuSS	abang.tegak		Blank	33	Approved	Y
07/11/2015 – 16:48	69	CuSS	ahirshy		Blank	31	Approved	Y
07/11/2015 – 21:01	88	Al	DanielM	25	Pregulla	22	Approved	Y
07/11/2015 – 21:55	91	CuSS	B42		Blank	42	Approved	Y
07/12/2015 – 05:41	102	CuSS	will34	14	Ulibar	28	Approved	Y
07/12/2015 – 11:33	112	Al	ahirshy	32	Nguyen	31	Approved	N
07/12/2015 – 16:34	130	Al	iron potato	39	Tinn44	34	Pending (PM Aprv)	N
07/12/2015 – 18:54	138	Al	nisse		Blank	100	Prefill Desire	N
07/13/2015 – 00:30	157	CuSS	jealous57	20	Sarge930	57	Pending (PM Aprv)	N
07/13/2015 – 04:26	162	CuSS	sonntag	62	Jmpaul320	55	Pending	N
07/13/2015 – 04:26	162	Al	sonntag	49	Jescereal	55	Pending	N
07/13/2015 – 17:53	178	Al	B42	52	Nisse	42	Pending	N
07/14/2015 – 18:52	193	Al	Nguyen	31	ahirshy	32	Approved	N
07/15/2015 – 00:29	205	Al	kst		Blank	58	Approved	Y
07/15/2015 – 03:16	217	Al	ReManG	7	djozz	13	Rejected	N
07/15/2015 – 12:59	228	Al	Kloepper Knife Works		Blank	66	Approved	Y
07/15/2015 – 12:59	228	Al	Kloepper Knife Works		Blank	67	Approved	Y
07/15/2015 – 21:12	235	Al	djozz	13	ahirshy	15	Approved	N
07/16/2015 – 09:07	252	Al	djozz	15	ReManG	7	Approved (PM Aprv)	N

Is this even relevant anymore? I thought getting assigned serial numbers wasn’t going to happen?

mizjif wrote:

Due to having my wedding booked for the 13th of August, I’d like to keep the #13 s/n. My apologies to ahirshy!

No probs mizjif – have updated my own Al request to ‘Rejected’! Coincidentally this leaves me at position 26, which is MY wedding anniversary in June. Just celebrated our 10-year anniversary. So actually feeling okay sticking with that number for the same reason as you.

LSX wrote:

I would like to stay at position #19 please.

Cool, I’ll make sure to note this for mattlward’s request against position 19. I will split it out into a separate request for his remaining request for position 18 to make it clearer.

Nguyen wrote:

Kronoslogical.
 Many thanks for getting this thing going!
 Add one Al WW please. If possible, would like to be #81. 
Thanks.

You’re added at position 80 for this Al just because of your early timing. I’ll note it as a ‘Blank’ request in the table as there is technically nobody to swap with yet! Unless the next person for an Al specifically wants 81, Krono may just put the next requester into position 80 and shift you down to 81. (I’m born in 1981, so I would like it – but I’ve got enough for now. If the GB makes it past 1000 units, I’ll try for position 1981!!)

Kloepper Knife Works wrote:

I shouldn’t be in your chart, that post was just asking to be added to the aluminum list for 2 sets in addition to the 3 Al/Cu sets. 66 and 67 just happened to be the numbers the list was at.

Sure, I can remove the record if you want no problem. You only appeared in the list because you mentioned positions 66 & 67 in your post. (It sounded specific, so I didn’t know whether you wanted those exact positions). As there was nobody else in those numbers, I left it as ‘Approved’ and the record was just there for posterity and reference incase someone else wanted the positions.

Hirsh

Quote:

Position list updates will appear in post #324: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/40642?page=1#comment-789171

jealous57 wrote:

Is this even relevant anymore? I thought getting assigned serial numbers wasn’t going to happen?

I think it is still relevant, as long as it is not perceived as a guanateed serial number and instead only a “position in the list (which might, however unlikely, transpire into the serial number)”.

kronological wrote:

Please keep in mind that this is an interest list and nothing is written in concrete yet (specs, timeframes etc.)…including no guarantee of S/N assignment. As stated previously, it is likely to be a logisitical nightmare…so please don’t expect it! We will do our best to make it happen, but, ultimately, it is about the lights, not S/N placement. Keep in mind that these lights will be Serial Numbered…so…the sooner you get you name on the list, the lower the S/N you will receive!

Krono said ‘We will do our best to make it happen’, so until we discover that there will be absolutely no chance of preferred serial number positions, or are told they have absolutely no bearing from list numbering, I have agreed to keep track of requests and approvals for Krono to update is master list without too much overhead or littering posts.

Explanation of why I’ve done this and some caveats to know about the list positions here. http://budgetlightforum.com/node/40642#comment-788565

From a personal opinion, I totally empathise with both perspectives; some people are interested in their position and numbering for any given/bizarre/weird/petty/superstitious reasons (which is up to them). Whilst others will not care about such minor things, or even understand the rationale. I myself am not superstitious or attribute any illogical meaning to numbers, but I do agree and understand that some numbers will be more meaningful or resonate more with a particular person (ie. Birthdays, Anniversaries, Wedding dates, ages, house numbers, etc). It makes sense that these numbers will just mean more to some people because of their attributions.

If people want to express preference and it opens friendly discussions, PMs, chats, etc between like-minded BLF fans, then I’m only too happy to help keep track of it. It is also just another reason to keep interest in the GB high (as if the amazing lights by themselves weren’t enough!! haha).

Hope this makes sense.
Hirsh

I would like to stay in my 18th position please

Please, add me for one set Al CW XP-L HI .

Please add me for one set of Aluminum in NW. Can I have position 88?

One more of each please

bugsy36 wrote:

One more of each please

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Now, That’s what I’m Talkin About!

Wise move, Bugsy!!!

These will be widely sought after after all is said and done, though knowing you, you are probably just planning on just giving them away for Christmas:-)

Thanks,
-Chuck

Chuck, one could always give away the pretty SS X6 and keep the Cu K6 for one’s own selfish reasons. :bigsmile:

DB Custom wrote:

Chuck, one could always give away the pretty SS X6 and keep the Cu K6 for one’s own selfish reasons. :bigsmile:

.

Right you are Dale – Nice Idea!

-Chuck

chuckhov wrote:

DB Custom wrote:

Chuck, one could always give away the pretty SS X6 and keep the Cu K6 for one’s own selfish reasons. :bigsmile:

.

Right you are Dale – Nice Idea!

-Chuck

I’m in for 2 SS/CU in NW please

Wrathbringer27 wrote:

I would like to stay in my 18th position please

xelario wrote:

Please add me for one set of Aluminum in NW. Can I have position 88?

ahirshy wrote:

Nguyen wrote:

Kronoslogical.
 Many thanks for getting this thing going!
 Add one Al WW please. If possible, would like to be #81. 
Thanks.

You’re added at position 80 for this Al just because of your early timing. I’ll note it as a ‘Blank’ request in the table as there is technically nobody to swap with yet! Unless the next person for an Al specifically wants 81, Krono may just put the next requester into position 80 and shift you down to 81.

As this was done for xelario (pos.88 above), it could probably have been done for Nguyen’s request for pos.81 too, as that was also empty at the time. It’s fair for him to swap with tizzo as his request for 81 was first and would have been in that spot before tizzo was added.

Kronos, Thanks for all your hard work on these exciting lights, and great news about the samples already!

As per the below quoted posts and my table ; these are currently the only approved position swaps that require updating in the master list:

CuSS

20. Sarge930 NW
57. jealous57 SS/Cu WW

AL

7. djozz Al ?
13. ahirshy Al ?
15. ReManG Al NW

31. ahirshy Al ?
32. nguyen Al NW

34. Iron potato Al NW
39. Tinn44 Al NW

80. tizzo Al NW
81. Nguyen Al WW

(all done and transposed, just need copy/paste into your list…)

iron potato wrote:

I pm’ed with Tinn44 and he agreed to swap his #34 with my #39, could you kindly update on the list? Thank you so much~

Nguyen wrote:

Hi. bugsy36 I’m happy to swap positions 31 <—> 32 with ahirshy in the Aluminium list. Thanks.

jealous57 wrote:

I PM’d sarge and he agreed to swap positions with me (#20 <-> #57), when/if that is allowed.

djozz wrote:

(sorry for the late response ahirshy) I’m ok with swapping my #13 to ahirsy’s #15 on the Al list. 

djozz wrote:

Being lured into the swapping madness :-),  ReManG requested a swap amd that’s fine with me: please swap my (just acquired )  #15 with his #7.

Think of the bitter disillusion after the swapping dust settles and then folks receive a different number. 

Nguyen wrote:

Kronoslogical.
 Many thanks for getting this thing going!
 Add one Al WW please. If possible, would like to be #81. 
Thanks.

Tinn44 wrote:

I agreed for the position swap with iron potato (34 <>39)

Will the SS version be all SS or were the suggestions about using a copper pill taken on board or is that all a surprise?

Add me for
1) Al
2) NW
3) One

Ciao

I’m in for one AL set in CW. Thanks!

Sounds great Krono, exactly why I got on board. There are some great minds involved in this. Let’s hope it will stay as a limited edition. 200 sets worldwide

One Al CW please

Thanks