FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight - SST-20 available, coupon codes public

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djozz wrote:
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Out of curiosity, how many units do they have to sell to make it worth producing a version with a different metal?
Intriguing question, I always wonder that and never found/got an answer. Maybe Neal knows and is willing to tell us.

I would assume such information is proprietary.

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cabfrank wrote:
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Out of curiosity, how many units do they have to sell to make it worth producing a version with a different metal?
Intriguing question, I always wonder that and never found/got an answer. Maybe Neal knows and is willing to tell us.

I would assume such information is proprietary.


I doubt there is an actual number. It’s probably a combination of a lot of things besides total sales. You’ve got the rate of sales, plus the costs of production for these different materials, plus the perceived interest level in other materials from forums and such. They will probably see how a small batch of copper units will sale. If it’s good, then try other materials. So it’s probably not (2,000 sales = copper version), etc… Just my thoughts on it.

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I mean, the actual number is pretty simply:

Units of new design sold * Margin per unit – Cost tooling – design cost = Profit (without taking into account time value)

If that number is higher than zero, it’s profitable (but they still might not do it).

The problem is that it can be hard to gauge that first variable.

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I thought I really wanted the titanium one, but after a lot of thinking I realised that I preferred the look of the copper. I don’t actually own any copper lights yet, so I went and pulled the trigger. I didn’t even need the FW3A and now you folks have got me spending even more on an FW3C! Here’s hoping the SST-20s are FA3…

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Output, throw, and heat depend on whether the 219C SST-20 is using the 50% FET version of the firmware. I’m not sure anyone has provided a definite answer to that.

Lumintop only has one version of the firmware. It doesn’t use different firmware for different emitters. So 219C and SST-20 go up to 100% FET power.

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Umpi2000 wrote:
Anyone got an idea when the colorful ones will be for sale? I really want that blue!

Not sure, but probably pretty soon I think.

I got two of the color samples today — purple and white. Both are just like they appear in the pictures. Purple looks really good, especially with a black clip installed. White is nice also, and has sort of a grainy texture. So I assume it uses a different process than regular anodizing. Like most white things, it may be difficult to keep clean.

Hopefully I can get some decent pictures tomorrow.

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Lumintop change the optics to this , The beam is pretty though. smooth, and it has good color consistency.from Selene’s sample.

They already assembly to the FW3A, so if some one not accept this,let me know.

I also have 10507 optics and sapphire lens in sell.

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so the new optic has a plastic lens on top? would reduce money and weight and might improve lumen output?

I like it.

the downside would be users can no longer replace the optic unless they buy a glass lens.

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A sample of the new optic showed up today and I measured it. It seems to have no effect on total lumens, but the candelas are reduced to about 79% of the original 10511+glass design. It is more floody than 10511, but not quite as floody as 10508.

The new optic significantly reduces tint changes in different parts of the beam, so it looks like it’s a single color.

A first-batch FW3A weighs 51.9 g, while the new sample weighs 51.3 g. Not sure how much variance there is, but the new optic seems to eliminate about half a gram.

I haven’t tested waterproofing or heat tolerance or scratch resistance.

The MCPCB hasn’t changed, so Carclo optics should still fit. But the new optic replaces both the old optic and the glass, so people would need to buy a glass lens to install a standard Carclo optic. I’m not sure where to get a plain glass lens of the right size, or where the best places are to buy a 10511 optic, so links would probably help.

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I just bought an FW3C and a 10507 optic from Neal the other day, but was unaware of these changes until now. Is the FW3C still using the glass lens, or will I need to order one of those sapphire ones too?

If so, is there any chance I can add one to my order before it ships? I really don’t want to pay shipping for one tiny item when I already have a bigger order waiting to go.

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Darn it. That complicates plans to put trit drilled optics in a couple. Now I have to get new lenses, too.

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Well this is disappointing. Didn’t think the cheapening would start so soon

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Can we change our orders to just an MCPCB with the FA3 emitters then?

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Ordered one. Is the 219C really only 78% as bright at the Cree emitters? I wish I’d known.

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
The sapphire lens is useless for most people, it’s more scratch resistant but worse for flashlights in every other way.

Yeah I’d rather the standard glass one, but if the FW3C I ordered will be coming without a separate lense, then I will need to get one to use my new Carclo optic in it.
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23mm x 1.5mm seems to be an uncommon size, Fasttech at first glance has nothing in stock.
none of my other lights have this size lens either.

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Kinda feel like it should have been a “all lights ordered after 1 week from now will have this in it” kinda thing as opposed to “hey everyone order the SST20 LOLJK new optic”

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Exposing the bare lens seems a bad idea for an edc light. Acrylic is really soft, and would scratch easily. If it has a polished surface, it can be buffed with something like Polywatch, but the “matte” surface would be ruined.
At least it still allows enthusiasts to put the carclo + glass lens, but in a flashlight that costs 30$, it rises the price by a significant ammount

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Bad change.

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They changed to a floodier optic that also removes the ability to easily switch the optics? Not happy with that change. Hopefully the light that I have on the way is still with the old optics.

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Lumintop seems to have a track record of random undocumented changes. I was really planning on buying another FW3A with FA3 emitters, but if Lumintop is starting their shit already I won’t bother. I’m getting 10 SST20 FD2s from Bluesword anyway, I can just swap them in myself.

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Not happy about this. I hope my copper edition that I already PAID for will come with a CARCLO optic.

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KevinZA1988 wrote:
Not happy about this. I hope my copper edition that I already PAID for will come with a CARCLO optic.

Carclo optic and glass, the second equal or more important than the first.
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Not gonna say bait and switch, buuuuut…

Considering the page even still says “Optic: Standard TIR Carclo 10511 (matte)”.

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oweban wrote:
Not gonna say bait and switch, buuuuut…

Considering the page even still says “Optic: Standard TIR Carclo 10511 (matte)”.

Changing out an advertised part of the product without telling people after orders have been placed is literally a bait and switch…

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oweban wrote:
Not gonna say bait and switch, buuuuut…

Considering the page even still says “Optic: Standard TIR Carclo 10511 (matte)”.

I don’t know how much bargaining power Neal has with Lumintop, but maybe he can convince them to stop screwing up a good design with their usual “chabuduo” crap.

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I will probably get a second light in some time and I would definitely like to have it with Carclo and glass too!!!
I know it can be changed after, but I’d rather have it as the original one!

After seeing TK’s comment above, I think I can stand that half a gram in my pocket, specially if it “only” blends colour a little bit better!

So…I ain’t sure if this was a good decision… Flat Stare

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Kaidomain has 20mm x 1mm AR coated lenses. Can they at least confirm what we are getting so that we can order the necessary parts to get the light back to “standard” form??

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KevinZA1988 wrote:
Kaidomain has 20mm x 1mm AR coated lenses. Can they at least confirm what we are getting so that we can order the necessary parts to get the light back to “standard” form??

The FW3A lens is larger than that. 23mm by 1.5mm.

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