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lumintop just made my decision between a FW3A and D4 much easier. FW3A is being downgraded, D4 is being upgraded.

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both worthy of possessing…

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Nah.

Only one is worthy.

One is making upgrades.
The other is downgrades.

IMO, they should’ve just kept the glass, and changed the optic, while telling us about the change.

There’s a much bigger difference between a worse design vs a change of part that doesn’t change much.

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xevious wrote:

Excellent point made about Lumintop not having to do any of the design engineering for this light. They were given the blueprints already complete.

I believe Lumintop had to do a lot of design engineering and make their own blueprints. I doubt they copied Fritz’s measurements and tolerances precisely. They probably used his light as inspiration, but basically designed it all new (body/machining wise).
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Naturally, they make less money because of the design licensing.

What licensing? Between Fritz and Lumintop? I don’t believe there was any mention of such a thing. If there was, I missed it.
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I guess Lumintop quickly forgot how much effort and development was put in to this project, at no cost to them.

I don’t think you are realizing just how much effort and money Lumintop also put into this project. It’s not fair to say they were “gifted” the design and they only had to “make” it. It’s like I design a car and hand it to Ford and say “Make this”. It’s not that simple, it’s very complicated. Ford has to figure out all the nitty gritty details like fit, finish, tolerances, prototyping, testing, etc…

I think the only thing Lumintop did not have to work on was Anduril, because ToyKeeper worked on it for them.

So it was truly a group effort. Not many manufacturers will even work with forums since we are such a pain in their butt with so many demands, etc… Big Smile

Still, I can’t defend this last minute optic design change. They should say the problem they are having, for example maybe their supply of Carclo lenses is getting low and Carclo can not keep up demand. So an example to remedy this is to have a different company make a custom lens. They should ask us if this is acceptable before just doing it. Maybe it is only about lowering production costs, I don’t really know. The way they did it with no warning (kinda) and no explanation of why is surely going to upset many people and lose sales.

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I’m not saying Lumintop didn’t invest money and effort. I’m just saying a lot was done at no cost to them. Designing something like this in house would have been difficult for them, or maybe they never would have thought of it at all.

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D4 v2 is official.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67638

1. Larger MCPCB with dedicated screws holes: All 4 optic legs are intact in the D4 v2.
2. 7 auxiliary LED colors options which is selectable through config UI, as well as the voltage indication function.
3. Knurling on the tube, magnet option in the tailcap, lanyard hole added.
4. Anduril UI
5. Couple of other small improvements

Availability: soon

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charwinger21 wrote:
D4 v2 is official.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67638

1. Larger MCPCB with dedicated screws holes: All 4 optic legs are intact in the D4 v2.
2. 7 auxiliary LED colors options which is selectable through config UI, as well as the voltage indication function.
3. Knurling on the tube, magnet option in the tailcap, lanyard hole added.
4. Anduril UI
5. Couple of other small improvements

Availability: soon

!{width:25%}https://i.imgur.com/rTPs8vC.jpg!

Perfect timing.

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contactcr wrote:
I look forward to Gate Gate when they switch to a knockoff FET
Very clever! Party

Unfortunately, ‘Gate Gate’ is already taken, in reference to the (unnecessary) scrutiny of Carclo optics. Silly

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   I was waiting for someone to defend Lumpytarp .

 

 

  Seems like the bunny just keeps going and going and going .So happy that I got my order in for the sst-20 / 30$ light that they promised .....ooops I mean 32$  I'm assuming the 2$ is for Lumbertop to buy optics that will murder the throw gains of the sst emitters.

brilliant ...just  brilliant 

 

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Boaz wrote:

   I was waiting for someone to defend Lumpytarp .



Just correcting misinformation (or incorrect assumptions) when I see it. Wink

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Can't believe you did it . I knew it was coming  Silly

  They deserve credit for capitalizing the letter L too 

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Huh.

Just noticed the price is higher than 30$US for the SST-20 version.

So, maybe they’ll use the Carclo+lens setup in the pre-ordered SST-20 version since the price difference is for the lens price and Carclo TIR?

Anyway, if that’s not the case, I’m not buying the FW3A anymore.

They should’ve just taken the 20% import taxes on the LH351Ds, made it the same price as the XP-L HI version, and be done with it.

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BlueSwordM wrote:
Huh.

Just noticed the price is higher than 30$US for the SST-20 version.

So, maybe they’ll use the Carclo+lens setup in the pre-ordered SST-20 version since the price difference is for the lens price and Carclo TIR?

Anyway, if that’s not the case, I’m not buying the FW3A anymore.

They should’ve just taken the 20% import taxes on the LH351Ds, made it the same price as the XP-L HI version, and be done with it.

LH351Ds with the floodier non-AR Glass optics would be extra floody. Practically a different light from the SST-20 + 10511 + AR Glass version.

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cabfrank wrote:
I suppose you could get the sapphire lens available on Neal’s site, but, in my opinion, sapphire is not the best material for a flashlight lens.
I’ve been hearing that as well. Apparently due to the thin and flat surface of the sapphire crystal, it is more shatter prone than tempered glass. Are you familiar at all with Borofloat lenses?
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I would prefer those, but they aren’t the right size.

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I believe that shatter-sensitivity of sapphire lenses is a non-issue.

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I was ready to buy the copper and titanium versions too but I will keep my wallet closed after this nasty cost cutting crappola. shame Lumintop shame…

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djozz wrote:
I believe that shatter-sensitivity of sapphire lenses is a non-issue.

I agree my watches with sapphire have a far more exposed glass and get hit almost every day. Never had a problem, in fact really glad they don’t scratch.

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Geuzzz wrote:
djozz wrote:
I believe that shatter-sensitivity of sapphire lenses is a non-issue.

I agree my watches with sapphire have a far more exposed glass and get hit almost every day. Never had a problem, in fact really glad they don’t scratch.

Are those domed or flat sapphire watch crystals?
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xevious wrote:
Geuzzz wrote:
djozz wrote:
I believe that shatter-sensitivity of sapphire lenses is a non-issue.

I agree my watches with sapphire have a far more exposed glass and get hit almost every day. Never had a problem, in fact really glad they don’t scratch.

Are those domed or flat sapphire watch crystals?

I have both. I believe the thinnest is 2.9 mm flat, but that’s with 32mm diameter.

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mine is flat:

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I have a couple watches with sapphire as well with no problems.

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I believe the only negative thing about the sapphire lens is the lost output, not it’s durability.

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I got this answer from Victor when complaining about optics change

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Notice that the pocket color has changed to silver, yet the glass version will be also available late next month, don’t worry.

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XXX-Man wrote:
I got this answer from Victor when complaining about optics change
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Notice that the pocket color has changed to silver, yet the glass version will be also available late next month, don’t worry.
Good, but who is “Victor”??

Can we assume “pocket color” means ‘pocket clip’?

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teacher wrote:
XXX-Man wrote:
I got this answer from Victor when complaining about optics change
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Notice that the pocket color has changed to silver, yet the glass version will be also available late next month, don’t worry.
Good, but who is “Victor”??

Can we assume “pocket color” means ‘pocket clip’?

I am pretty sure that Victor is one of the representatives of Lumintop.
And probably pocket = pocket clip Big Smile

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Hello,all the FW3A fans,I am Neal. about the FW3A optics change issues, I make this announcement.
can talk about this issues in this thread: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67645

1.Reason for Lumintop to change the optics

  • first,because it is hard to order the carclo optics,usually need to wait 3-4 weeks,the first batch they wait 6 weeks.
    that is why the delay of the FW3A group buy start.
  • second,the carclo optics actually made in china dongguan,lumintop find another optics company in dongguan,
    that company is familiar with carclo, and said can make the same optics.after test the prototype,the performance almost same. but they make a fault to make extra optics and cancel the lens,this is the reason why the candelas are reduced.
  • third,cost,carclo will be much more expensive than the new optics,they want to reduce the cost so that can sell it cheaper in the future.

2.resolution of the optics issues Lumintop already ordered the 10511 optics today,carclo replied need about 3 weeks.

  • a. Include glass lens with new optic, to allow easy modding. accept the new optics and these can ship in 48 hours and change the optics yourself,the FW3A will add a original lens in the package.
  • b. wait for new 10511 arrived,about 4 weeks ready to ship
  • c. cancel the order

pls send email or PM to me about your choice.
Email:nealgadgetsfw3a@hotmail.com
Mail include your order number and your choice.

other description:
1.FW3C also no 10511 optics,will wait for 10511 optics,so the shipping will be delay.

2.color FW3A,Lumintop will produce purple,blue and green. purple version with have TK’s logo. they just make some prototype,like the following picture. I will talk with TK if it is ok.

3.for future optics. the optics company are start to make another prototype to make it same as carclo 10511 optics.
if the result is good,will use that optics in the future.before it in production,will send them to TK,Kay and other reviews to compare.

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Thank you Neal for the detailed reply with options also!! Thumbs Up . Smile . Beer

Thanks also to Lumintop for quickly addressing the issue.

These options are fair & reasonable as far as I am concerned. Smile . Thumbs Up

As long as the AR coated glass lens is still included I am happy.
As long as the optic is a Carclo or a pretty exact Carclo copy… I am good.
As long as the current SST-20 version with the ‘combo optic’ also includes an AR coated glass lens in the box so I can remove the “combo optic” & replace it with my own Carclo & the included glass lens…. I am just fine with that.

Soooo… it looks like I am good to go…… Big Smile . Thumbs Up

Note: "Combo optic" = optic & lens combination... NO glass

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Thank you Neal! I can work with these options

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